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# 208274 4-Feb-2017 10:12
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This is from the Glen Eden FB page.  Ive asked questions to which I'll get no answers and the admins wont delete the post. Yet another android kodi box pusher.  Is it actually illegal to sell these here preloaded with all the plugins up and running to watch "free" channels?  


Dont get me wrong,  I dont really care what people do in their own home,  watch whatever you want however you want.  I just have a big issue with people making money out of selling products like this and people actually thinking its totally legit. 


 


 


BUY 1 GET ONE FREE!! THIS LONG WEEKEND ONLY!! OFFER ENDS 11:59 PM MONDAY 6TH FEB – over 2000 units sold in 4months!


(All boxes purchased via our website or by invoice this long weekend automatically gets a second one FREE!) Last time we ran this promotion we sold over 250 units in one day, SO DON’T MISS OUT.



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  # 1715300 4-Feb-2017 10:42
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agreed, hate these guys.  im surprised sky hasnt come after him yet.  he went to the trouble of getting an 0800 number etc.


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  # 1715302 4-Feb-2017 10:46
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He is using trademarked logos in is adverts. Surely thats not legal.


 
 
 
 




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  # 1715304 4-Feb-2017 10:50
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His reply to my questions was go read our herald article..  http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11741617

 

I particularly like "I spoke with lawyers before we started doing it, we are programming a box with a few basic links ... We can't control what you will find."


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  # 1715316 4-Feb-2017 11:00
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From the Copyright Act 1994

 

226 Definitions of TPM terms

In sections 226A to 226E, unless the context otherwise requires,—

TPM or technological protection measure—
(a) means any process, treatment, mechanism, device, or system that in the normal course of its operation prevents or inhibits the infringement of copyright in a TPM work; but
(b) for the avoidance of doubt, does not include a process, treatment, mechanism, device, or system to the extent that, in the normal course of operation, it only controls any access to a work for non-infringing purposes (for example, it does not include a process, treatment, mechanism, device, or system to the extent that it controls geographic market segmentation by preventing the playback in New Zealand of a non-infringing copy of a work)

TPM circumvention device means a device or means that—
(a) is primarily designed, produced, or adapted for the purpose of enabling or facilitating the circumvention of a technological protection measure; and
(b) has only limited commercially significant application except for its use in circumventing a technological protection measure


TPM work means a copyright work that is protected by a technological protection measure.

 

Emphasis (italics) added. I don't see how this crowd wouldn't be selling what I would classify as a circumvention device.




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  # 1715319 4-Feb-2017 11:03
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But the herald said hes not doing anything wrong :p  


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# 1715321 4-Feb-2017 11:06
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askelon: But the herald said hes not doing anything wrong :p  

 

Crooked media!! Breitbart wouldn't let them get away with this!!


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  # 1715322 4-Feb-2017 11:07
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There have been well publicised cases of stores in the UK selling kodi boxes being raided so I love to know how he thinks its all fine.

 

https://torrentfreak.com/uk-police-arrest-man-for-selling-pirate-kodi-devices-161221/ 

 

Sounds just like this guy "I;m all legal blah blah" and then closed down. 

 

the article:

 

“I was running a successful business which was both VAT registered in the U.K. and with Worldpay as my payment merchant. For me to get both of those, those parties have to be sure that what I was doing was legal,” he says.

 





Richard rich.ms

 
 
 
 




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  # 1715345 4-Feb-2017 12:27
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"There nothing illegal about what we do, we have a in house legal team."

 

"We are a legally registered business who has been in papers and have sold over 2000 units. We advertise with large media companies like media works and fairfax media who have legal teams that go over everything before it goes to air.

In simple words, the same way you can go on your laptop and watch movies, all we have done is put it in a box and given you a remote.

Laws mentioned are relating to downloading, not streaming live"

 

 

 

Still trying to get the whole message thread on fb deleted..  :p  




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  # 1715358 4-Feb-2017 12:57
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And I lost my argument, the mods couldnt decide who was right so the post stays O.o   So now Im wondering why my Apple TV doesnt have all these premium channels for free, I feel like Im missing out now :p    I heard theres a totally legitimate device from a company called My Box NZ who are selling legal devices 2 for 1 atm! 


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  # 1715398 4-Feb-2017 14:17
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You're aware you're giving him more visibility by linking straight to his site and providing a click-bait forum title? 

 

You're really rather playing right into his hands.


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  # 1715468 4-Feb-2017 17:51
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What Kodi build would he be using?

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  # 1715478 4-Feb-2017 18:24
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askelon:

 

 

 

"We are a legally registered business who has been in papers and have sold over 2000 units. We advertise with large media companies like media works and fairfax media who have legal teams that go over everything before it goes to air.

 

 

 

 

What's that now?

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/88768609/newspaper-phishing-scam-hits-new-zealand 


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  # 1715539 4-Feb-2017 19:55
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What I find more annoying is the fact they are ripping people off by selling a $63 box for $270 - when with all of 5 mins work loading kodi, exodus and zem you would have the same functionality : /


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  # 1716042 6-Feb-2017 12:15
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Dratsab:

 

From the Copyright Act 1994

 

226 Definitions of TPM terms

 

...

 


TPM circumvention device means a device or means that—
(a) is primarily designed, produced, or adapted for the purpose of enabling or facilitating the circumvention of a technological protection measure; and
(b) has only limited commercially significant application except for its use in circumventing a technological protection measure


...

 

Emphasis (italics) added. I don't see how this crowd wouldn't be selling what I would classify as a circumvention device.

 

 

The problem is that it completely fails the (b) portion. It absolutely has large commercially significant application outside of its use in circumventing technological protection measures.

 

The systems themselves are quite useful even without the pirate stream links, but as driller said:

 

driller2000:

 

What I find more annoying is the fact they are ripping people off by selling a $63 box for $270 - when with all of 5 mins work loading kodi, exodus and zem you would have the same functionality : /

 

 

Absolutely.


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  # 1716097 6-Feb-2017 15:38
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driller2000:

 

What I find more annoying is the fact they are ripping people off by selling a $63 box for $270 - when with all of 5 mins work loading kodi, exodus and zem you would have the same functionality : /

 

 

I don't see that as an issue. No different to an IT guy buying $5k worth of server hardware, loading up some software and selling for $15k to a business.

 

The most annoying thing with all this cr4p is how the sellers don't think it is illegal, or at least sell them as 'perfectly fine'! People just need to be very aware that the content they are watching could stop working at any point and they are left with a useless box.

 

 


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