Anyone else reckon North Korea is pulling tactics from the "Art of War"?

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#214142 29-Apr-2017 13:58

I see a bit of media attention has been turned on North Korea at the moment, and a lot of it is geared towards mocking, denouncing, and ridiculing his leadership.

I know most media is owned by around half a dozen multi trillion dollar operations and so have their own agenda they're pushing - like labeling the Regimes missile tests as failures.

But I've watched/read a bit of strategies during WW2, and I can't help but be reminded of the tactics Rommel pulled in Africa which helped him be one of the most successful Commanders of the Nazi's.

And of course the deception the Allies employed around D-day also reminds you that lies and deception when used correctly is a remarkably successfully tactic.

I kinda feel like we're being pushed by Western Media to horrendously underestimate and undermine his actions, and frankly I'm starting to worry that they're actually quite worried and are trying to keep the public at peace, and pulling the wool over ours eyes as to what's actually going on.

I don't know I'm just an armchair keyboard warrior, but I'm keen to hear your thoughts - leave a comment below.

And I'll leave you with this quote from the Art of War:

“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”

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#1772442 29-Apr-2017 14:11

I'd largely agree with you about the deception purely because dictators so often rely on an external threat to ensure that their people will cooperate. They often have to appear strong enough to cow the internal opposition, yet weak enough not to require external intervention or attack. Saddam Hussein is an example of losing on both counts.

I'm not so sure about the Western positions.

Disclaimer: I don't actually know what is happening.

I don't even know if I care. But a lot of people do.

Just this morning a neighbour was giving me a markedly different assessment:

That the Media here are emphasising this to avoid the real bad news in New Zealand.
That the USA is overestimating the danger due to their paranoia and a political need to keep their real bad domestic economic news out of the headlines.
That a bigger threat to peace is the 80,000 US military contingent in South Korea.

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#1772450 29-Apr-2017 14:32

Hammerer:

I'd largely agree with you about the deception purely because dictators so often rely on an external threat to ensure that their people will cooperate. They often have to appear strong enough to cow the internal opposition, yet weak enough not to require external intervention or attack. Saddam Hussein is an example of losing on both counts.

I'm not so sure about the Western positions.

Disclaimer: I don't actually know what is happening.

I don't even know if I care. But a lot of people do.

Just this morning a neighbour was giving me a markedly different assessment:

That the Media here are emphasising this to avoid the real bad news in New Zealand.
That the USA is overestimating the danger due to their paranoia and a political need to keep their real bad domestic economic news out of the headlines.
That a bigger threat to peace is the 80,000 US military contingent in South Korea.

Do we really have any real bad news in NZ? I know from reading some news articles that there are people that like to push the line that things are bad in NZ but i tend to think that is a mixture of things, a reflection of their own situation, often people who don't support the current govt and want to make out NZ is in bad place because of them and other reasons. But I do not think we really have anything going on here that is being avoided or even too bad.

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#1772454 29-Apr-2017 14:41

Well, I suppose the other side of the fence is the 1984 quote: "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." which lends credence to your theory that the looming "War" is pushed in order to keep the populace complacent that their country is 'winning the war' and feeding money into weapons manufacturers. (Which I'm certain does happen to a degree, money talks, and as Trump is a shining example that money = beneficial laws = good business.)

So in essence over-state the threat of looming war with NK, in the hopes that the people will not look at the big picture which is Donald Trump selling out their country to corporations left right and centre while attempting to undermine the very freedom they think appear to flaunt in front of foreign countries.

So I'm confused. And thought you smart guys could help. :)

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#1772463 29-Apr-2017 15:00

Are you worried about a war? Do you think it will happen? I really have no idea. It seems like most countries don't want a war.

https://geopoliticalfutures.com/war-north-korea-looks-like/

Basically, both sides lose if there is a war. I think this might take a while to play out. Doesn't look like KJU has many options left. The thing that worries me the most is the rehetoric is really really really nasty. It is typical North Korea... but when he actually follows through on something that he said in, it makes it seem pretty scary. E.g. "we are going to test missles weekly". Well it seems they are doing that. "We are gonna turn Seoul into a sea of fire". There is no way he could possibly benefit from doing this, even if he uses the Artillery and no nuclear weapons he still clearly must know that he will be obliterated by the USA, Japan and South Korean Militarys. But KJU knows that if he attacks any other county. Be it Japan, South Korea, USA, Australia or any country for that matter then he will have a MAJOR problem. I don't think he is going to attack anyone. I think this nonsense is going to go on and on and on and on.

His people don't really understand what is going on outside of their country. Therefore he needs to present himself the way he is so he looks like a strong leader. His people can topple and end his reign if they choose to do so. They don't really want to do this at the moment. He looks strong. There are some sources on the ground in North Korea reporting that he is starting to lose support of the people. Their perception of the outside world is very limited. I imagine North Korea is 30 years behind a lot of the rest of the world in terms of technology (I am referring to the non-elite citizens).

Their oil prices have risen 87% in a matter of days. So they are going to start to struggle soon. If the people get mad enough, the army might start defecting. And Riots will occur.

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#1772642 29-Apr-2017 21:52

Trump is such an idiot, that he respects "generals and admirals" as advisors on a geopolitical situation that really demands a diplomatic - not a military - solution.

Every time (over 60 years) there's a Republican regime in the US, and especially when there's also a conservative regime in South Korea, things take a turn for the worse.

North Korea need to be brought back into nuclear test ban treaty and non-proliferation treaty. Kim Jong-un won't agree to that while India, Pakistan, and Israel are not signatories, so they also too need to be sorted - it's a ridiculous situation.

Russia and USA need to commit to reduce nuclear arms. Curse both of them, especially Trump at this time who's committed to spend many billions on updating the US nuclear arsenal. Planet earth needs that like a hole in the head.

When leadership is truly needed, we've got a POTUS playing golf, talking war, and lamenting the fact that being POTUS is much harder than he thought it would be.

FFS, someone needs to talk to KJU without simultaneously holding a gun to his head. F&*^ing morons.

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#1772694 30-Apr-2017 04:00

darylblake:

Their oil prices have risen 87% in a matter of days. So they are going to start to struggle soon. If the people get mad enough, the army might start defecting. And Riots will occur.

You can't be serious ... it won't/can't happen.

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#1772698 30-Apr-2017 05:45

If North Korea wants play with the big boys with big boy toys perhaps one of the big boys needs to show them what happens by dropping a bleeding huge toy right on top of N.Korea

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#1772722 30-Apr-2017 09:02

Fred99:

When leadership is truly needed, we've got a POTUS playing golf, talking war, and lamenting the fact that being POTUS is much harder than he thought it would be.

seems to describe most presidents of the past few decades. And why not, a president is allowed down time. As for taking the diplomatic route how has that been doing for you? it hasn't exactly accomplished much now has it. The best outcome that can happen here is for continued pressure on the lunatic and someone within his military to overthrow him. be sure but if you continue down the diplomatic route this will constantly come up until he has the ability to actually launch a weapon. sometimes society needs to grow some balls and actually take care of the problem instead of sitting there with their fingers crossed hoping that the lunatic will change his ways if you offer him enough. imagine sitting in a room with a murderer and taking the diplomatic path to have them not kill you instead of trying to escape or take them out.