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itxtme

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#21900 10-May-2008 13:52
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I think the thing that geekzone members have to remember is that while most if not all of our members are well educated individuals many of the people taking these pills are not. There are thousands more of these chemicals out there and if it takes the government 3 years to ban them you are fighting a losing battle.


from http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=20349  

And the new pills have arrived with their new effects!!

Four to five patients are being admitted to Wellington Hospital on a typical Saturday night after taking the new- generation pills, emergency doctor Paul Quigley says.


Are we allowed to say "I/We told you so"!!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4518525a11.html

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johnr
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#129854 10-May-2008 13:55
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Who cares

What a waste of money!!

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  #130139 12-May-2008 08:56
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To be honest I think taking proper drugs are safer than these so called herbals.

 
 
 
 


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  #130180 12-May-2008 10:51
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"Proper Drugs" are researched with cause and affects known.  When there is a market for people wishing to have highs somebody will fill that market.  It just so happens that NZ is ineffective in removing drugs from the market place that arent safe; so when one drug (BZP) is having minimal adverse affect on the population and we remove it people will want others!  

Like i said prior to this news article, education is whats needed not grumpy old Jim waving his know-it-all finger around

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  #130839 14-May-2008 12:05
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Who's 'grumpy old Jim'?  Are party pills cheaper than alcohol?  What's the diff?

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  #130932 14-May-2008 17:33
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The grumpy old Jim would be the clearly out of touch Jim Anderton!

I have never tried to buy them, but a quick online search indicates $20 for 4. (http://www.cosmiccorner.co.nz/partypills/pepe/)

My mere observation is that in the previous thread many people were madly against them and while i can sympathise with that angle the reality (yes the key word) is that the individuals that buy these pills would buy non BZP ones and mereley banning a specific substance takes too long and is quickly made irrelevant!

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  #132520 22-May-2008 11:57
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I've never been a fan of the BZP based pills. Both in the effect they have and the after effects. They were always harsh on my stomach and you'd feel horrible the next day.

I don't advocate illegal substances, but I think if you're controlled in amounts you take, and whatnot, they're a better option all round.
However, they ARE illegal for a reason. If you use them in moderation, I believe they are safe, but the thing is that there are cases where people are unable to take them in moderation. Going beyond a physical addiction, theres also a psychological addition for some people.
You'll find that some of the 'lighter' substances such as MDMA and GHB don't have a physical addiction like cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine. Some people just get hooked on the feeling.

The safty of drugs also comes into play. Drugs such as cocaine and heroin can cause major heart related deaths, but MDMA (ecstasy) isn't considered deadly in the same right. There have only been (from memory) 2 deaths related to MDMA in New Zealand, and it wasn't actually caused by the drug itself. It has a dehydrating property, making you thirsty, and those 2 deaths were caused by excess water intake, causing over hydrating and dilution of salt levels within the body.
A friend of mine once came on the verge of doing serious damage to themselves by drinking too much water and diluting their salt levels.
This is why you need to take care if you plan on taking these substances.

To me, knowledge is your best friend if you are going to dabble, as you're playing with substances which can have a very adverse effect on the body, and its knowledge is the best way to stay safe.

The problem with party pills is that most people just see that its legal, and therefore it must be ok to go ahead and take as much as you want.

Whatever path you take, legal or illegal, stay safe and get clued up on what you're taking.

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