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Topic # 223380 26-Sep-2017 18:11
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Does anyone have experience of how to deal with access to property for fire services when the property has automatic gates?

 

We will be putting some in and the options would be (at the moment) give the local brigade their own PIN or give them a key that unlocks the lockable "open/close" button.

 

I'd rather they did not just ram the gates (!) in general, but the property has a monitored fire alarm, so they could be called when we are overseas etc.

 

Just wondered if anyone had dealt with that situation.






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  Reply # 1873281 26-Sep-2017 18:38
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Pretty sure you can lodge an access code with Fire, Police and Ambulance comms so the code goes out to which ever unit is dispatched.

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  Reply # 1873282 26-Sep-2017 18:41
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its not too hard to lift our auto-gate off its rail, so I presume they would just do that.





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  Reply # 1873306 26-Sep-2017 19:16
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I doubt they would be interested in a key, just imagine how many they would need to cover all properties and no guarantees 'x' brigade is the one that attends.  Been a few years since I was in emergency services but have never been provided a code to access a property.  Things may have changed.  Why not call FENZ and ask them?  

 

They could always use their universal key

 

 

 

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  Reply # 1873307 26-Sep-2017 19:17
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Does anyone have experience of how to deal with access to property for fire services when the property has automatic gates?

 

 

 

I'd rather they did not just ram the gates (

 

 

 You'd worry about your gates if your property was on fire??!!




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  Reply # 1873310 26-Sep-2017 19:34
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Does anyone have experience of how to deal with access to property for fire services when the property has automatic gates?


 


I'd rather they did not just ram the gates (



 You'd worry about your gates if your property was on fire??!!



Depends if I was in it. It's just a building. It's insured and can be replaced.

They won't easily be able to lift the gates. I had the hinges altered to prevent that.

I'll call the guys tomorrow if I don't see one in the village when running errands.





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  Reply # 1873314 26-Sep-2017 19:46
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pctek:

 

I'd rather they did not just ram the gates (

 

 You'd worry about your gates if your property was on fire??!!

 

It's one less expense (even if it's the insurance that pays) and it would remain operational after the incident preventing looters & opportunistic thieves access.

 

Ultimately, if it comes down to it, yes of course ram the gate & save the house. OTH, let be clever about this and try to avoid this situation with an ounce of prevention.


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  Reply # 1873320 26-Sep-2017 20:08
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Geektastic:

 

Does anyone have experience of how to deal with access to property for fire services when the property has automatic gates?

 

We will be putting some in and the options would be (at the moment) give the local brigade their own PIN or give them a key that unlocks the lockable "open/close" button.

 

I'd rather they did not just ram the gates (!) in general, but the property has a monitored fire alarm, so they could be called when we are overseas etc.

 

Just wondered if anyone had dealt with that situation.

 

 

 

 

If they believe life/property is at risk, they will be unlikely to even slow for the gates.

 

Likewise for a vehicle that may be blocking their access (eg inconsiderate parkers), they will just keep going.


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  Reply # 1873323 26-Sep-2017 20:10
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If your house is on fire I am sure the last thing they will worry about is not damaging the gates. I would be more concerned about Ambulance access.


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  Reply # 1873324 26-Sep-2017 20:12
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If it is monitored directly by the fire brigade (thinking commercial premises here) then yes, keys, access cards and access codes are supplied to and held at the local fire station, when the alarm is triggered the key code is passed to the brigade and they bring the keys with them when responding.

 

If it is monitored by a 3rd party, eg ADT, then no, FENZ will not have direct access to these codes. You would supply the code to the alarm monitoring company, and have this company badge displayed somewhere obvious. When the brigade arrives, they will request the alarm company's attendance to gain access. 

 

Unless the place is obviously on fire of course, in which case they will force access




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  Reply # 1873325 26-Sep-2017 20:12
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sir1963:

Geektastic:


Does anyone have experience of how to deal with access to property for fire services when the property has automatic gates?


We will be putting some in and the options would be (at the moment) give the local brigade their own PIN or give them a key that unlocks the lockable "open/close" button.


I'd rather they did not just ram the gates (!) in general, but the property has a monitored fire alarm, so they could be called when we are overseas etc.


Just wondered if anyone had dealt with that situation.



 


If they believe life/property is at risk, they will be unlikely to even slow for the gates.


Likewise for a vehicle that may be blocking their access (eg inconsiderate parkers), they will just keep going.



They'd slow if I put in the other anti vehicle measures I considered...!





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  Reply # 1873334 26-Sep-2017 20:28
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you can leave the key with them.

no they won't just ran the gates unless there's definite fire





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  Reply # 1873336 26-Sep-2017 20:31
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I think some of the industrial sites I've been to have their normal access gates open if the fire alarm goes off. You could consider something similar.




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  Reply # 1873338 26-Sep-2017 20:37
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andrewNZ: I think some of the industrial sites I've been to have their normal access gates open if the fire alarm goes off. You could consider something similar.

 

thats a pretty good idea





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  Reply # 1873350 26-Sep-2017 21:02
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Geektastic:

They'd slow if I put in the other anti vehicle measures I considered...!

 

It must be terrible living in South Africa.





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  Reply # 1873352 26-Sep-2017 21:06
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nakedmolerat: you can leave the key with them.

no they won't just ran the gates unless there's definite fire

 

fire station stores spare keys for the whole city?


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