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Topic # 224063 31-Oct-2017 15:07
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See here

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/30/rise-robot-brickie-automation-could-wipe-600000-construction/

 

 

 

Yes, I know we don't use so many bricks. Look at the carpenter numbers and other trades...






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  Reply # 1893195 31-Oct-2017 15:12
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In NZ, the main structure of houses is already fabricated in a factory, so the actual structure of the house can be assembled in just a day or 2. It is the finishing that requires a lot of teh work, and much of that can only be done by human. We do still seem to have a lot of brick in NZ, which isn't great in an country with earthquakes, but it is usually always just a skin on the outside of a timber frame. 


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  Reply # 1893196 31-Oct-2017 15:13
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What about using all the immigrants to build the extra houses that all the immigrants need? tongue-out


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1893204 31-Oct-2017 15:21
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DarthKermit:

 

What about using all the immigrants to build the extra houses that all the immigrants need? tongue-out

 

 

The irony of this is that there are a re huge number of immigrant tradespeople - with Christchurch being a classic example.

 

Even elsewhere there are now a lot of Vietnamese interior decorators and tilers around.

 

 


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  Reply # 1893215 31-Oct-2017 15:48
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Geektastic:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/30/rise-robot-brickie-automation-could-wipe-600000-construction/

 

 

Right! Brilliant! So our "housing crisis" will resolve itself over the next 15 years or so, with thousands of Pommie tradespeople becoming available. So what we should do is re-frame (Heh!) the "housing problem" as one of how to house our current but temporary glut of homeless people.

 

I propose that unemployed, and especially homeless families be given a free round-the-world ticket on AirNZ, on condition that they're not allowed to return to live in NZ for a minimum of (say) 2 years. The whole family has to vacate their home (if they have one) and go and live in some other country, or countries. A bit of marketing ("Free holiday! On the Govt!") and a significant proportion will jump at it, leaving lots of vacant homes. Repeat annually for the next decade or so. "Housing crisis" solved!

 

How about that... the Labour Government has only been in a few weeks and we've got it licked!

 

 


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  Reply # 1893217 31-Oct-2017 15:52
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sbiddle:

 

DarthKermit:

 

What about using all the immigrants to build the extra houses that all the immigrants need? tongue-out

 

 

The irony of this is that there are a re huge number of immigrant tradespeople - with Christchurch being a classic example.

 

Even elsewhere there are now a lot of Vietnamese interior decorators and tilers around.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is a never ending circle where you bring in immigrants, who then need houses themselves, because we don't haven enough houses, who then need more immigrants to come in to build them houses. And then what happens when houses a no longer needed, what do these tradespeople do? The problem is that the government didn't plan for this properly.The end result is that we are all paying far more for housing than we should be.


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  Reply # 1893219 31-Oct-2017 15:54
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frankv:

 

 

 

How about that... the Labour Government has only been in a few weeks and we've got it licked!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Their policies really aren't much different from Nationals with building new houses. They also seem to now be flip flopping over overseas people buying existing NZ houses. I wonder if that will be the first broken promise?


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  Reply # 1893248 31-Oct-2017 17:19
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mattwnz:

 

sbiddle:

 

DarthKermit:

 

What about using all the immigrants to build the extra houses that all the immigrants need? tongue-out

 

 

The irony of this is that there are a re huge number of immigrant tradespeople - with Christchurch being a classic example.

 

Even elsewhere there are now a lot of Vietnamese interior decorators and tilers around.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is a never ending circle where you bring in immigrants, who then need houses themselves, because we don't haven enough houses, who then need more immigrants to come in to build them houses. And then what happens when houses a no longer needed, what do these tradespeople do? The problem is that the government didn't plan for this properly.The end result is that we are all paying far more for housing than we should be.

 

 

As long as each one leads to building more than one house it's a win though.

 

 


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  Reply # 1893252 31-Oct-2017 17:29
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kryptonjohn:

 

mattwnz:

 

sbiddle:

 

DarthKermit:

 

What about using all the immigrants to build the extra houses that all the immigrants need? tongue-out

 

 

The irony of this is that there are a re huge number of immigrant tradespeople - with Christchurch being a classic example.

 

Even elsewhere there are now a lot of Vietnamese interior decorators and tilers around.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is a never ending circle where you bring in immigrants, who then need houses themselves, because we don't haven enough houses, who then need more immigrants to come in to build them houses. And then what happens when houses a no longer needed, what do these tradespeople do? The problem is that the government didn't plan for this properly.The end result is that we are all paying far more for housing than we should be.

 

 

As long as each one leads to building more than one house it's a win though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not really because it also means that we need additional infrastructure for that increase in population and housing. So you need more water supply, more sewage, more roading, more schools, hospitals, benefits etc. The increase looks good on paper initally, which is why the previous governments books so good. But there is a payback further down the track, as we ave to pay for the catchup. It is one of the propblems with increasing the population quickly. I believe this was one of WPs complaints about what has been happening over the last decade.


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  Reply # 1893254 31-Oct-2017 17:37
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Not necessarily. Intrastructure is stepwise not linear with population as it builds out in large chunks. Immigrant builders will of course build many more than one house yet NZ-returning and Australian immigration is a large chunk of the growth that needs to be addressed regardless of other sources. 

 

So whichever way you look at it, the builder is needed and better to have him than not have him. What you and Winston should be looking at is immigrants that are not useful e.g. student visas.


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  Reply # 1893256 31-Oct-2017 17:55
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mattwnz:

 

frankv:

 

 

 

How about that... the Labour Government has only been in a few weeks and we've got it licked!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Their policies really aren't much different from Nationals with building new houses. They also seem to now be flip flopping over overseas people buying existing NZ houses. I wonder if that will be the first broken promise?

 

 

Not according to this.





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  Reply # 1893262 31-Oct-2017 18:18
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Talk's cheap and flip flops cheaper!

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