Alternate 1989 - Auckland invaded

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#233741 30-Apr-2018 21:17

This is a teaser for a series I'm aiming to put together, Ideally live action, most likely will stay as CG animation.

Set in Auckland in an alternate 1989, the cold war turns hot in the south pacific.

And yeah 2004 era cut-scene graphics - I'm not a professional 3D animator :P

Love any feedback

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#2005473 30-Apr-2018 21:26

The teaser looks really good. Well done.

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#2005479 30-Apr-2018 21:38

Looks good :)

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#2005538 30-Apr-2018 22:16

Thanks guys! That was quick replies!! Glad you liked the teaser, I have more stuff in the works! :D

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#2005539 30-Apr-2018 22:21

Wow, that’s awesome. Well done.

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#2005542 30-Apr-2018 22:29

Well if you liked that, let me know what you think of this one :)

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#2005652 1-May-2018 09:22

Thanks for sharing these teasers. I really like the idea. I like the nice touches you've included, using period-appropriate logos on the microphones for example, and the callback to the classic RNZAF bumper sticker. My only little gripe is the imitation of Lange's speech pattern. While he did have a very distinctive way of talking, I find it a little hard on the ears the way some people exaggerate his inflections. I would suggest that whoever is providing the voice acting could look at moderating it a little to make it less grating. While the graphics may not be bleeding edge, I didn't find that it detracted from the story. For me, story is king, and that's what I really want to know more about. Would you be willing to share more of the story ideas you have? I'm interested to know more about the characters you've created, the origins for the conflict (particularly how it diverges from actual history), and where you see the story going, particularly if it's to be a series.

A big part of the reason I find this so interesting is that it falls into my favourite period of NZ history - the 80s. I've been reading a lot about NZ political history from this period lately, and I found myself wishing someone would write a medium-form dramatisation of this period. Tom Scott and Greg McGee wrote a two-part mini series called Fallout which covered the early years of the Fourth Labour Government, particularly Lange's involvement in the anti-nuclear policy and the "fallout" with the Americans. Rewatching part 2 (I don't have part 1 on tape unfortunately), I was struck by how awkward some of the acting and dialogue was, and thought that a modern take on this period could be really interesting - I imagined a 90min episode for each year from say 1982 through to 1990, giving a decent amount of time to explore the key players of this period, as well as the changes wrought to the political, economic, social, and cultural spheres. However, I suspect I'm probably in the minority in finding this period of history interesting enough to justify that kind of treatment. However, a series such as the one you're working on could provide a measure of that exploration, but rather than focus on what some might see as dull politicians you could traverse the issues by focussing on key characters within the military, as it looks like you might be planning.

Kind of related is a young adults book that I read in the 1990s called "The Fourth Horseman" by John A Moller. It was a counterfactual story about the impacts on New Zealand (specifically Auckland) of a nuclear winter. It was based on the idea that New Zealand would become a collateral target of any nuclear exchange because we were part of the Anzus alliance and hosted nuclear ship visits from the US. With one of those ships in port, there was potential target for a Soviet nuclear strike, or at the very least the risk of nuclear fallout leading to a catastrophic nuclear winter. I found it fascinating because there were so few books or shows which were set in NZ, and it made a refreshing change from reading American or UK-centric fiction, but it also was very topical. If you haven't read it I would encourage you to try and track it down (it's not easy, but this link from the National Library would be a good starting point), though I imagine you've already done plenty of research.

All up, really great! Keep up the good work, and would love to see/read more about this project.

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#2005719 1-May-2018 10:15

They both look awesome!!!

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#2006203 1-May-2018 19:24

Lizard1977:

Thanks for sharing these teasers. I really like the idea. I like the nice touches you've included, using period-appropriate logos on the microphones for example, and the callback to the classic RNZAF bumper sticker. My only little gripe is the imitation of Lange's speech pattern. While he did have a very distinctive way of talking, I find it a little hard on the ears the way some people exaggerate his inflections. I would suggest that whoever is providing the voice acting could look at moderating it a little to make it less grating. While the graphics may not be bleeding edge, I didn't find that it detracted from the story. For me, story is king, and that's what I really want to know more about. Would you be willing to share more of the story ideas you have? I'm interested to know more about the characters you've created, the origins for the conflict (particularly how it diverges from actual history), and where you see the story going, particularly if it's to be a series.

A big part of the reason I find this so interesting is that it falls into my favourite period of NZ history - the 80s. I've been reading a lot about NZ political history from this period lately, and I found myself wishing someone would write a medium-form dramatisation of this period. Tom Scott and Greg McGee wrote a two-part mini series called Fallout which covered the early years of the Fourth Labour Government, particularly Lange's involvement in the anti-nuclear policy and the "fallout" with the Americans. Rewatching part 2 (I don't have part 1 on tape unfortunately), I was struck by how awkward some of the acting and dialogue was, and thought that a modern take on this period could be really interesting - I imagined a 90min episode for each year from say 1982 through to 1990, giving a decent amount of time to explore the key players of this period, as well as the changes wrought to the political, economic, social, and cultural spheres. However, I suspect I'm probably in the minority in finding this period of history interesting enough to justify that kind of treatment. However, a series such as the one you're working on could provide a measure of that exploration, but rather than focus on what some might see as dull politicians you could traverse the issues by focussing on key characters within the military, as it looks like you might be planning.

Kind of related is a young adults book that I read in the 1990s called "The Fourth Horseman" by John A Moller. It was a counterfactual story about the impacts on New Zealand (specifically Auckland) of a nuclear winter. It was based on the idea that New Zealand would become a collateral target of any nuclear exchange because we were part of the Anzus alliance and hosted nuclear ship visits from the US. With one of those ships in port, there was potential target for a Soviet nuclear strike, or at the very least the risk of nuclear fallout leading to a catastrophic nuclear winter. I found it fascinating because there were so few books or shows which were set in NZ, and it made a refreshing change from reading American or UK-centric fiction, but it also was very topical. If you haven't read it I would encourage you to try and track it down (it's not easy, but this link from the National Library would be a good starting point), though I imagine you've already done plenty of research.

All up, really great! Keep up the good work, and would love to see/read more about this project.

Hi Lizard!

Yeah believe me when I say I've done a lot of research into getting this as accurate as I can. (Tho I need to remove the afterburner feature from the skyhawks, as they dont have one) Yes I can imagine Lange is not as spot on as it could be. The guy that did the VO Jared Tito was still pretty epic at giving it a go I must say tho.

I actually used fallout as part of my research, among many other things.

I've actually done a pitch video, which goes into a little back story,

and an actual backstory video which gives a little more insight into what's going on and where the point of divergence occurs in this timeline (somewhere around 1986)

Cheers! :D

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#2006765 2-May-2018 20:56

Heh, far better than anything I could do.

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#2006782 2-May-2018 21:44

Awesome

How long have you been working on this?

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#2006832 3-May-2018 06:32

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Awesome

How long have you been working on this?

Since around 2015, off and on while working on other stuff, then sort've full on for the last year. :D

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#2006833 3-May-2018 06:38

Not sure our handful of Skyhawks at the time would have had much chance against Russian migs. Nice work though.

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#2006835 3-May-2018 06:54

geekiegeek: Not sure our handful of Skyhawks at the time would have had much chance against Russian migs. Nice work though.

You're right, a mixture of Su-33's, Yak-38s and 41s actually, and in this timeline the Project Kahu was fast tracked and, so it gives all Skyhawks comparable eyes and ears abilitiy of F-16s and upgraded armament. HOWEVER in saying that yeah you're still right. In the story they are joined by the air wing of the USS Carl Vinson which is the last US carrier in the pacific. So it balances it out alot more. :)

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#2006841 3-May-2018 07:15

As an old airforce guy the little things like the afterburners and quantity of A4's were noticeable but frankly the general accuracy is fantastic. Well done, I really hope this goes all the way. People have little clue about how things could have easily been very different from how they turned out. Personally I believe NZ would have been a great target and that's why (here is a twist coming) we were likely to have had nuclear weapons stored at Whenuapai (or quickly could be supplied) for use on the P3's. During airshows we always had to cover up the nuclear control areas on the planes in case some eagle eyed civilian realised that we actually owned what amounts to medium range nuclear bombers. Pretty funny really as its not actually any sort of secret. The A4's were also nuclear certified and in the case of a full invasion during the cold war I have no doubt this option would be used.

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#2006842 3-May-2018 07:17

geekiegeek: Not sure our handful of Skyhawks at the time would have had much chance against Russian migs. Nice work though.

The Mig's would never reach here (Mig 29's are short range, really only useful in Europe). In flight refueled SU-27's and more likely carrier launched SU-33's would be the most likely opponent.

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