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Topic # 23557 2-Jul-2008 16:51
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Hey guys! I am doing some research for JOBX NZ (http://www.jobx.co.nz) and I noticed there are some angst about recruiters/finding work in New Zealand. What irritates you? What can be done better?

Why I ask is because I'd like to take your feedback and use it to improve on what we have and make it more like what you want.

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  Reply # 142425 3-Jul-2008 08:23
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I was in the job market in November 07, and had so many recruiters say "oh youre perfect for such and such a position" and then proceed to either a)Drag out the process so long that you get fed up with trying for it  b) Never hear from them again after the initial interview. c) Never have the right information on hand about the position d) Forget totally who you are and give you information about a job that you never applied for.

One even stated "we make contact every 2 weeks without fail just to see how things are going" during an initial interview - sounded good - didnt hear from them for 3 months and that was just an email asking me to update my details. Didnt bother replying.

The best jobs Ive ever had are the ones who were advertising themselves and not relying on recruitment agencies. At least they know exactly what sort of person they want and dont stuff you around if youre not suitable.

Although in saying that.... there was a certain ISP I applied with off my own bat a few years back... emailed them my CV, got an email to say the HR manager would be in touch. 7 months later they finally call. While Im at work in my new job.
 




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  Reply # 142431 3-Jul-2008 08:41
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Pretty much same experience as XPD.

All my roles I have either been shoulder-tapped, seen a private ad and applied with an in-their-face-this-will-be-mine approach, or walked in effectively unannounced and defined to them the role that they should give me (<<< my current role).

I have met several recruiters - they are in the same category as real estate agents as far as I am concerned (and as a landlord don't even get me started there...)




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  Reply # 142476 3-Jul-2008 11:21
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Hey so it is basically the problem with the recruiters themselves? We're thinking about putting together some kind of wiki or discussion area so recruiters/employers/businesses can give advice to candidates. What about an area where those who have been through the process can give advice to these people?

Also we have a feature where you can rank the employers/recruiters - would you guys use this?

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  Reply # 142483 3-Jul-2008 11:46
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One positive thing, I enjoyed taking the 'test' results back with me, when I had had my skills on word and excell (for example) tested.  These showed me my weeknesses for free!  I did not appreciate being contacted five months down the track when they had obviously picked the wrong person for the job first time around.  I reckon I don't need people who can't get it right in the first place.  The people themselves can be very personable...  And helpful when you are new in the market/country and need to know what sort of wage one can expect...

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  Reply # 142484 3-Jul-2008 11:48
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Uhh providing we could change what was and wasn't shown, I'd be happy to provide advise, but I would hate for someone to email me, or worse call my company and ask for me to talk about writing a CV or Cover Letter etc.

(ficticious example)
Ralph Frankton, Support Manager, Snap Internet writes: Please spend more than 10mins on your CV.
could be shown as:
Technical Staff Manager, Small-Medium Business writes: Please spend more than 10mins on your CV.

It would be Jobx's role in that case to ensure that people that add to that wiki etc are who they say they are though.




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  Reply # 142485 3-Jul-2008 11:50
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Hi Ralph, that is a fair point too. I was thinking of not including contact details anyway! Will develop it more.

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  Reply # 142508 3-Jul-2008 13:06
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Personally, I probably wouldnt use the site, as I love the job Ive got now and they arent wanting to get rid of me Laughing Its always good when you hear your boss say that. Laughing




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  Reply # 142534 3-Jul-2008 14:16
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Well, I'm an Asian, been in NZ for 16+ years. I am educated in NZ high school, university and tertiary colleges. I do consider myself fluent in English and easy to understand both in conversationally as well as literately. HOWEVER... all my previous jobs were through people I know and have made contact with. Prior to those years, I was hunting for jobs to no avail as it seems like none of the job recruiters are keen to help me to find a suitable job despite me being qualify in most areas I applied - with the exception of not having enough industrial work experience.

The other fact is, many workplaces look for candidates with work experiences, and people they can trust (via some recommendation from people the employers know). It is quite discouraging for new person, coming into workforce looking for first job, later to find that he/she has very little chance to get noticed or be given an opportunity to find a job to build work experience.

So my peeves towards job recruiters are largely, they're not that welcome or friendly in helping you to find job, but merely more favour their clients (employers) to find suitable candidates. Which largely the people that pay the recruiters' their bread and butter, it made sense.

These days, I'd suggest to new people to workforce to make contact with people, and "ping" for jobs rather than going to job recruiters - Sorry JobX no offence I hope.




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