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jonathan18

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#236169 21-May-2018 14:52
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I’ve recently got back into kite flying, having this year purchased a delta stunt kite and a 2.2m parafoil. Now I have the bug and I’m interested in buying a quad line kite, but have struggled to find a source in NZ, or an o/s retailer that doesn’t charge the earth for delivery. (I could use Youshop, but have no idea of package size, so doing this would be somewhat risky.)

Are there any kite enthusiasts out there who can advise?

At this point, I’m looking at getting a Rev of some description, the specific model yet to be decided (my budget would suggest an EXP, though many people suggest it’s cheaper in the long run to start off higher up the chain). I can’t find any shop in NZ that sells this brand, but given their worldwide fame and popularity I find this somewhat bizarre.

Indeed, there are few NZ sites selling quad line kites that aren’t power kites; I’ve been dabbling with the idea of a Flexifoil Sting, but am kind of keen on trying something with a bit more precision and one in which in higher winds doesn’t just become a battle of strength. While there appear to be a wide range of Rev copies out there, it seems like the original brand still offers the best experience.

Any advice re sources of kites, information, relative merits of particular quad line kites would be much appreciated. I’m tagging @Oblivian and @Stu as two current GZ members showing up in the two kite-related threads I could find, in the hope they can offer some advice!

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  #2019866 21-May-2018 15:07
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Unfortunately I have nothing to add. I don't think I've even had the kite out since last posting about it :-(

I should probably do something about that...




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  #2019872 21-May-2018 15:14
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Let this be the impetuous then!

I hadn’t flown a kite for many years until a few weeks ago, but I’m certainly already hooked on it enough to sink much of my “pocket money” into the hobby.

My rationale is that this is a far better use of money than some new piece of technology, given it gets me out in the fresh air (and, in the case of the parafoil, gives me a decent workout while I’m at it!).


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  #2019892 21-May-2018 15:26
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I have used http://kiteworks.co.nz/ in the past to repair my kitesurfing kite and purchase a stunt/trainer kite. Perrin there is renounced amongst the NZ kitesurfing community as the man to go to. His shop in Auckland has all KINDS of kite stuff. 




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  #2019910 21-May-2018 15:42
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Delphinus:

I have used http://kiteworks.co.nz/ in the past to repair my kitesurfing kite and purchase a stunt/trainer kite. Perrin there is renounced amongst the NZ kitesurfing community as the man to go to. His shop in Auckland has all KINDS of kite stuff. 



Thanks for this. I’ve tried calling them a number of times today but no answer this far but will keep trying. I see their website does include a link to Revolution’s own site, even if no actual mention of selling their kites, so this is probably the most likely seller in NZ.

As an aside, it amazes me how poor the websites are of NZ kite sellers - this site is a perfect example of this!

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  #2019923 21-May-2018 16:03
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When I last purchased a stunt kite the only place in NZ was Kiteworks.  They did have some nice stuff though. 

 

 

 

  





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  #2019925 21-May-2018 16:04
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They spend more time out on the surf than doing pages :p

Oh for a rev. It use to freak people out when I asked for a go and could pop the same tricks (if not more). There was a book at one stage with some diy plans. But as you say you can't beat the real deal.

I busted my own Benny's kites solstice during summer. The material is so old the stitching blew out :( not bad for something made in 1997!

Most of them cater for Chinese single line knockoffs (margin) or bigger foils for Kitesurf. But if they import chances are they can order in on demand. But expect delays and expensive.

Julie the kite lady in CHC may still have ties. Kites.co.nz from memory

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  #2019952 21-May-2018 16:26
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Haven't flown a kite since I was a kid but are these reasonable prices?







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  #2020028 21-May-2018 19:31
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Thanks for the replies.

 

After my last post I got hold of someone at Kiteworks – he was really knowledgeable and helpful, but the only Rev-type kite they stock is the HQ Mojo, which I’ve read a decent amount about (and is apparently a lot more skittish than a Rev, so not so suitable for beginners).

 

Interesting to see the link above to kites on Ali Express, because at it happens this afternoon I came across recommendations for a Chinese kite listed on that page – the Freilein Windrider, also available on eBay etc. I understand it’s a fairly straight copy of a Rev kite, and is unsurprisingly considerably cheaper (landed in NZ for under $400, whereas I imagine even the cheapest Rev would be well over $600 when allowing for GST etc). While the ‘net is full of posts rubbishing any Rev alternative, I’m sure some of this is partly from expert kiters who would notice any difference but also a bit of snobbery (plus disapproval of the copying of others’ designs). And there are many videos out there showing that they’re pretty agile.

 

I’m still wondering about whether I should go for a foil kite like the 1.7m Flexifoil Stingguys like this one demonstrate that a quad-line foil like this one can do some pretty cool tricks, and, unlike Revs, are relatively indestructible, plus are far more compact  – but in the end I’m thinking there’s something appealing about the precision of a Rev-style kite, and will give me three quite different kites (this, plus the delta stunt kite and a foil).

 

I’m swaying towards a Windrider (and possibly a vented one, given I live in Palmerston North which often has high and/or gusty winds), as I’m coming to understand (given the difficulty in getting one in NZ) I’ll just not be able to afford a Rev, and certainly not one of their mid-level models. @Oblivian, I understand that the original in this case is no certainly the best, but as someone with obviously a decent experience in kite-flying, including with Revs, what do you think of the Windrider as an option? I’m not after (and cannot afford) the ultimate, but I’m thinking this will still provide a good entry point into the world of quad-line kites…


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  #2020038 21-May-2018 19:49
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Let me know once it arrives :D

 

Been years since I've had a good hack at a quad. Grew up around the early PLK peels and super expensive big boys toys that I was trusted enough to have a spin (pun) on and get the hang of. Scared pooless of how they harness you in these days. I was all arms and legs (sand skiing and jumping cray cray)

 

Funny how we look and go 'this will hurt' and look after ageing bones now :P

 

But at the time it was something the revolution range was good for, with the leading edge venting it took a lot out of the wind gusts. Although you could only really blast it around in light-medium. The lighter it was the more wingtip tricks you could do. But the harder it blew the more work you had cut out for you as it was effectively a flat surface against the wind and strong and unpredictable 

 

The only downside with quads is the less wind range, and window you can play in. With 2 at least you can play a bit in middle and then stick it out to the edge for arm break, but with a quad you have to keep those wrists busy. Theres even an indoor version.

 

First trick I got the hang of was wingtip nudges/drops onto people on the outside of the window. And then eventually got the hang of where the flick was to stop the thing short of smashing into the sand front first and then reverse out. It's remembering to move arm forward vs which wrist to let out with it facing the right direction that kept getting me


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  #2020047 21-May-2018 19:55
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They are super fun tho :P

 


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  #2020301 22-May-2018 12:31
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I use;

 

http://www.kites.co.nz/

 

 

 

really friendly and helpful. They dont have a store anymore, but base themselves out of the local ChCh markets. 

 

They are happy to help online (email) to help you get what you want. 

 

Worth a chat. 

 

 

 

 


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  #2020703 22-May-2018 20:34
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Well, I’ll be waiting a while for my Rev clone to arrive, as I ended up giving into a fantastic deal on a 2.4m Flexifoil Sting - $180 delivered from the company’s eBay store:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-Flexifoil-2-4m2-4-Line-Sting-Power-Kite-90-Day-Money-Back-Guarantee/162707309853?hash=item25e21c851d:g:66cAAOSwgYVZ3Ket

Even the 1.7m version of this would have been $280 from Amazon, so too good to go pass. While a foil quad isn’t that comparable to a Rev-type kite, there will surely be some transferable skills of getting used to four lines. There are also certainly advantages of this over a twin-line foil, eg apparently easier to re-launch, tighter turns, and ability to take a break. The foil is also basically indestructible.

So not giving up on the Rev clone, but just delaying the purchase until I can afford and justify a fourth kite!

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  #2020955 23-May-2018 09:38
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I haven't flown a kite in ages. I had a buddy that worked at a kite shop back in the late 90's, who took me out to fly a couple of Revolution 1's. They were quite fun! I just looked them up and boy are they expensive. I don't really need another hobby, but it could be fun to get back into.





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  #2020971 23-May-2018 09:54
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Didn't know what you were talking about till I saw the vid, above. How the H does he do that??? Truly unbelievable precision.


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  #2021026 23-May-2018 11:05
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linw:

 

Didn't know what you were talking about till I saw the vid, above. How the H does he do that??? Truly unbelievable precision.

 

 

Heh, its all in the wrists!

 

The original design of the quad kite started off as 2 diamonds with a single spar in the middle like a bi-quad antenna. (can still get/make them)

 

This made for 2 individual flat panels able to be 'balanced' flat against wind pressure when directly infront of you in the path of the wind. Slight tilt on any axis and it of course deflects the pressure and makes it go the opposite direction

 

Revolution kites patented the design/idea and R&Dd the heck out of it to get it to the point they are now. Near perfectly balanced and precise pressure spill/lift concepts


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