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Topic # 239776 3-Aug-2018 14:24

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12100469

This does nothing to disabuse me of my belief the guy was pretty much a scummy human being despite being "brilliant" in his work. There will no doubt be more details of this some which may go in SJ's favour, but I kinda think that being a brilliant scumbag is still more negative than positive.

I can even partially understand being a little stand offish whilst paternity was determined, but past that...

BTW I do not condone kids having automatic rights to parents wealth, I strongly dislike self entitlemnt, however, with young kids especially, there are ways to say things and not.

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Reply # 2067548 3-Aug-2018 15:48

Here we go again, this is going to be another "Media Beat Up" where they are just waiting to fill column inches on a slow media day.

But I do agree with OP that SJ was "a scummy human being despite being "brilliant" in his work". But if you look at most highly brilliant people down through the ages you will find that same sentiment. Most were/are border line bi-polar and being narcissistic egomaniacs. SJ was renown for being very difficult to work with and for. The love of his life was his work to the detriment of his personal life. He consistently pushed people away.

Don't forget SJ himself was born into a dysfunctional family (my sperm and egg bank he called them) then adopted out. His biological father was quite brilliant himself but it was his adoptive father who taught him the practicalities of engineering and technology. He was properly too high functioning for the school system of the time and maybe was ADHD which wasn't a diagnosis then.

Is this an excuse for pushing his first child, Lisa, away, no but his personality does explain it, he wasn't the first nor will he be the last bad father but give him credit he did try to rectify it.

PS: His company is now the first Trillion $ company based upon a lot of his ideas

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Reply # 2067551 3-Aug-2018 15:57

So far I am starting to see a similar trend in another "visionary" that being Elon Musk. Can't speak to his parenting, but yeah his personal interactions speak a little to a, or multiple, personality disorders.

I was born into a pretty disfunctional family too, lots of issues in my family history, but in life most people make choices. I choose to try hard to be a good father. If someone turned up out of the blue with claims I was paternally theirs I'd like to think I'd act better than that.

Everyone is different, I just thought the article was pretty disturbing.

Well done to Apple for being the first trillion dollar company..

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Reply # 2067580 3-Aug-2018 16:15

Personally, I think his daughter is quite attractive (near my age too). Pity she had such a poor relationship with her Dad though :(

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Reply # 2067599 3-Aug-2018 16:36

networkn:
So far I am starting to see a similar trend in another "visionary" that being Elon Musk. Can't speak to his parenting, but yeah his personal interactions speak a little to a, or multiple, personality disorders.

I was born into a pretty disfunctional family too, lots of issues in my family history, but in life most people make choices. I choose to try hard to be a good father. If someone turned up out of the blue with claims I was paternally theirs I'd like to think I'd act better than that.

Everyone is different, I just thought the article was pretty disturbing.

Well done to Apple for being the first trillion dollar company..

I’ve been listening to a podcast about eBay vs PayPal, and one of the episodes mentions Elon musk and company X, an early competitor to PayPal. His comments were that his father was “pure evil - imagine an evil anything, and he had done it”. His mum is a model that was absent most of his life, meaning Elon had himself as a role model.

I’m sure things worked out well.

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Reply # 2067605 3-Aug-2018 16:43

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This relationship is well documented and the info is nothing new.

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Reply # 2067607 3-Aug-2018 16:47

gehenna:

This relationship is well documented and the info is nothing new.

It's new to me.

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Reply # 2067630 3-Aug-2018 17:50

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It's one of the go-to aspects of most write-ups/documentaries/movies/books about Steve Jobs. A big aspect of Pirates of Silicon Valley (1999), and both Steve Jobs movies from the last few years.

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Reply # 2067661 3-Aug-2018 18:38

networkn:

So far I am starting to see a similar trend in another "visionary" that being Elon Musk. Can't speak to his parenting, but yeah his personal interactions speak a little to a, or multiple, personality disorders.

I was born into a pretty disfunctional family too, lots of issues in my family history, but in life most people make choices. I choose to try hard to be a good father. If someone turned up out of the blue with claims I was paternally theirs I'd like to think I'd act better than that.

Everyone is different, I just thought the article was pretty disturbing.

Well done to Apple for being the first trillion dollar company..

Notwithstanding you dont like Apple, and I do, I also found it disturbing. I can see the olden days of denial, but I cannot see the later wealthy days of denial, or at a minimum, essentially disownership. Most would take the option of showering with love and dollars to make up for a past that cannot be re written.

A glass half full comment would be that he was not normal, but brilliant. A glass half empty comment was that he was brilliant but self absorbed. Its ok to sacrifice family time for the greater good for everyone, but..... not like that

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Reply # 2067664 3-Aug-2018 18:40

networkn:

gehenna:

This relationship is well documented and the info is nothing new.

It's new to me.

And me, and I think he was a marketer extraordinaire. Although even that was rugged, when he shafted Wozzie

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Reply # 2067674 3-Aug-2018 18:54

On this, I'd like to get a book about Bill Gates. Like Warren Buffet, had fun and the power challenge of super big business, now is giving it away. Thats a great example of cake and eat it too

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Reply # 2067686 3-Aug-2018 19:05

Bit of trivia, related

Apple's market value.

5.2 x NZ GDP

Just under OZ GDP

Apple shares 2001 $1-30 now $207

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Reply # 2067706 3-Aug-2018 19:30

tdgeek:

now is giving it away. Thats a great example of cake and eat it too

Giving a tiny fraction of it away, which is a huge amount in real terms, but still a tiny fraction of his wealth.

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Reply # 2067709 3-Aug-2018 19:32

gehenna:

tdgeek:

now is giving it away. Thats a great example of cake and eat it too

Giving a tiny fraction of it away, which is a huge amount in real terms, but still a tiny fraction of his wealth.

35 billion isn't a tiny fraction.

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Reply # 2067711 3-Aug-2018 19:36

@tdgeek that's not how fractions work. 35 billion is 1/3 of his overall wealth. So when looking at it in real terms it's a tiny fraction of his overall wealth.

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Reply # 2067718 3-Aug-2018 19:46

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All in one's interpretation. I would have called that a large fraction myself!

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