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From http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/26/content_9711554.htm

WELLINGTON, Aug. 26 (Xinhua) -- Television New Zealand said on Tuesday the 2008 Beijing Olympics may have been the last that New Zealand people can watch without paying for a subscription in New Zealand.


Sky Television has secured the New Zealand broadcasting rights for the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver and the 2012 Summer Games in London.


TVNZ Chief Executive Rick Ellis said Sky TV securing the rights may result in a large number of households being locked out of viewing the event in London.


Ellis said New Zealand does not have any regulatory framework to protect against universal access to free sport, which means the highest bidder for such events wins.


Sky TV declined to comment on speculation over its planned Olympic coverage.


However, it has said it will offer 24-hour-a-day coverage during the Games, on its subscription channels and on Prime, which is free to watch.


Despite record viewing numbers for the Olympics, TVNZ said it will make a multimillion-dollar loss on its Games coverage. The state-owned broadcaster said 96 percent of the population tuned into some of its Olympics programming.










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  Reply # 160855 30-Aug-2008 10:48
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well f u sky , we got the rugby, the league , every other sports "we must be missing sumthing " omg the olmpics how did we forget that......before u know it u will have to pay to see finals race and  only another $3 more for medal ceremony   lol....its  disspointing really we were pretty lucky with nearly  2  24hrs channels of the olympics this time around.....they said NZRU said we have to give the rights to sky to keep the players here dont know if that really worked t....




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  Reply # 160861 30-Aug-2008 11:57
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    However, it has said it will offer 24-hour-a-day coverage during the Games, on its subscription channels and on Prime, which is free to watch.


 

Argh, i have always thought SKY's replay on there free to air channel is bullocks.  Super 14 we have 1-2 replays of super 14 a week.  That equates to seeing your team every 4-5 weeks *shaking head*


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  Reply # 160868 30-Aug-2008 12:29
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The reality however is that I no longer consider Prime TV to be a Free To Air TV Channel. Freeview is the replacement for our analogue TV beroadcasts and Prime is not available on the Freeview Platform.

 

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Reply # 160896 30-Aug-2008 15:25
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Your Joking? Right?

As least with Sky you get what you pay for!


If TVNZ gets any sports they'll do what they normally do - Delay It, hack it to bits and through Ads throughout it. You'd be lucky to get more then 2 games live a week.

Prime not a fta channel? oooh, thats right TVNZ doesn't want prime on freeview!

Sky always outbids us for sports but we have no problems bidding millions for a few sitcoms.

I'm sorry whilst I'd rather not pay to watch sports its a helluva lot better then not having it at all!!


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  Reply # 160903 30-Aug-2008 16:47
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stagnant16: Your Joking? Right?

As least with Sky you get what you pay for!

Prime not a fta channel? oooh, thats right TVNZ doesn't want prime on freeview!

 

Really???  From what I've read Sky doesn't want any of it's channels anywhere near Freeview.  If it did it would unencrypt Prime on it's sat service.. 

If you want to what the next Olympics in HD be prepared to pay on todays prices around $125 / month..





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  Reply # 160918 30-Aug-2008 17:54
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Prime not a fta channel? oooh, thats right TVNZ doesn't want prime on freeview!



Says who? TVNZ aren't Freeview. The channel that Prime would use on the Freeview platform (Kordia MUX HD test channel) is ready and waiting for Sky. It's Sky who won't move prime to Freeview, not TVNZ stopping them.

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  Reply # 160950 30-Aug-2008 20:44
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stagnant16: Your Joking? Right?

As least with Sky you get what you pay for!


If TVNZ gets any sports they'll do what they normally do - Delay It, hack it to bits and through Ads throughout it. You'd be lucky to get more then 2 games live a week.

Prime not a fta channel? oooh, thats right TVNZ doesn't want prime on freeview!

Sky always outbids us for sports but we have no problems bidding millions for a few sitcoms.

I'm sorry whilst I'd rather not pay to watch sports its a helluva lot better then not having it at all!!



Of course you do!!! avertising they promised never to show

Oh yeah, continual forced upgrades of their hardaware at your expense, even though you don't own it!

 How about the ever-increasing monthly premiums


According to Ted Gibbons, of NZ PC World, in the June, 2008 edition, "Further down the track, Sky has secured the rights to both the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancover and the 2012 Summer Olympics in London. These two events will receive saturation coverage with the London Olympics having 22 hrs of high-def coverage per day on the Prime channel backed up by a further eight Sky channels broadcasting 24 hours a day." 

This will happen only one of two ways: either, they will incorporate Prime into their HD pay channel coverage; or, it will be incorporated into Freeview. I may be wrong, but I don't see Sky alienating any potential future subscribers to their pay network by removing Prime from FTA.

Especially considering the extra channels, to which you will most likely be forced to pay for, on their pay network.




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  Reply # 161038 31-Aug-2008 15:51
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Forced continual upgrades??? I'm sorry but I still have my original decoder from 6 years ago and havn't been forced into anything!!

Yes the ever increasing monthly increases, to go along with your weekly weetbix price increases and gas and electricity and phone and internet.. I don't think that counts.

Whilst I'm not overly supporting SKY, TVNZ have dug this hole themselves, where were they when the Breakers contract was up? It seems to be a matter of the "BIG" sports or nothing for them.

End of the day if you don't like it then don't pay for it, but in saying that the Government of the day will make you pay for it no matter what :-)

Come the next Olympics if I have to pay a little extra to watch live uninterrupted coverage so be it! ALthough I'd say a FTA broadcaster will have shared rights if it does go Skys way!!




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  Reply # 161040 31-Aug-2008 16:25
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stagnant16:  ALthough I'd say a FTA broadcaster will have shared rights if it does go Skys way!!



Prime is the FTA partner. Neither TVNZ or TV3 will have shared rights.

Therein lies the issue that as far as the government (and NZ on Air who continue to fund Prime programming) is concerned Prime is a FTA broadcaster. However Freeview is now New Zealad's FTA TV platform. Analogue TV is now obsolete. 20% of the country don't have access to Prime TV because they are unable to access Prime on the Freeview DVB-S platform and the remaining 80% who have access to Freeview|HD have to put up with an inferior analogue picture on their TV or even no picture in many areas since the Freeview|HD signal does offer far better reception in many metropolitan areas allowing people to reveiuve crystal clear digital TV when analogue TV may be unwatchable.

Somebody should be telling Sky to either put Prime on the Freeview platform or stop calling themselves a FTA channel. NZ on Air should also stop funding programming on Prime for the same reason.

*Note I don't consider Sky's Prime decoder offering for those areas outside UHF coverage as nothing more than a joke.


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    Hi,

        I sence an anti Sky topic. I will bet that as soon as Sky and TVNZ come to an arrangement for TV1 HD,TV2 HD,TVNZ 6 and 7 to be on Sky, Prime will be on FreeView. Also, everyone forgets that the advertisers will demand Prime to be on FreeView for the games anyway as it will be in their interest, Prime's aslo as they will pay a bigger premium.

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  Reply # 161053 31-Aug-2008 16:56
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Thats all well and fine but at end of the day why should it be our god given right to see professional sports people on FTA TV?

Isn't that really what it comes down to?




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  Reply # 161054 31-Aug-2008 17:03
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  Hi,


  Professional sportsman, yes we do have the right as they have the right to be paid as much as they and their empoyers believe they are worth, as long as FTA can cover the bill that is fine, at some point though the FTA's cannot and that is where Sky comes in. Pay TV covers the games FTA cannot.

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  Reply # 161057 31-Aug-2008 17:22
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DS9:

    Hi,

        I sence an anti Sky topic. I will bet that as soon as Sky and TVNZ come to an arrangement for TV1 HD,TV2 HD,TVNZ 6 and 7 to be on Sky, Prime will be on FreeView. Also, everyone forgets that the advertisers will demand Prime to be on FreeView for the games anyway as it will be in their interest, Prime's aslo as they will pay a bigger premium.


I'm not anti Sky by any means. My issue is that Sky claim Prime is a FTA channel and no longer consider this to be the case.

The TVNZ channels on Sky is a completely different issue alltogether. The long standing argumentis that Sky need existing FTA channels as a selling point to sell a Pay TV service to paying customers. When Sky Digital was launched the biggest selling point was crystal clear TV1 and TV2 for the large numbers of people in NZ who were beyond the reach of existing VHF transmissions.

Why should TVNZ (or anybody else) provide any Pay TV operator their channels for free when they effectively are just onselling them and making a profit?

Freeview on the other hand is NZ's FTA broadcast network and Sky withholding Prime from that shares no similiaraties whatsoever.


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  Reply # 161059 31-Aug-2008 17:25
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Hey,

Sorry, In a round about way thats what I meant ;) Of cause that have a right to be on FTA, but shouldn't be regulated for.

Never fair TVNZ will show the try 10 minutes after it happens and after Tv3 report it :-)


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  Reply # 161301 1-Sep-2008 15:59
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Sounds good to me TVNZ's coverage was a shambles, crappy/plain wrong programming information and not showing NZ athletes compete live is useless

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