Why cannot they just ban Viagogo here.

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#281185 4-Feb-2021 13:28

So lots of new complaints coming in about Viagogo and the fact it is now targeting NZ more because of our unique covid level.

It's a known fact these guys are just a ripoff artist so why are they not just banned operating here ??.

Yes I know people still use them despite the massive amount of bad media about them but if they were not an option at all then they would not be able to use them in the first place.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/124146223/dozens-of-complaints-as-ticket-scalper-viagogo-targets-new-zealand-events-agency-warns

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#2647105 4-Feb-2021 13:52

Think the worst they got was a breach of fair trade notice for local sales. And a slap on the wrist from google to de-rank them

There are also Facebook campaigns at present targeting event pages. Advertisiting tickets for sale that cannot be used. Or free 'live streams' you have to give your details and subscribe to a 'free but cancel any time - please provide credit card' service

Know of one for this weekend that hasn't handed out numbered or bulk tickets. Yet someone claims to have a heap of them

And Electric Avenue has been targeted for some time

Australia took it to them in Nov. Not sure if paid it however

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ticket-reseller-viagogo-fined-7-million-over-google-ads-booking-fees/news-story/d238835bff977adb214df307b4692ba7

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#2647143 4-Feb-2021 15:32

Oblivian:

Think the worst they got was a breach of fair trade notice for local sales. And a slap on the wrist from google to de-rank them

There are also Facebook campaigns at present targeting event pages. Advertisiting tickets for sale that cannot be used. Or free 'live streams' you have to give your details and subscribe to a 'free but cancel any time - please provide credit card' service

Know of one for this weekend that hasn't handed out numbered or bulk tickets. Yet someone claims to have a heap of them

And Electric Avenue has been targeted for some time

Australia took it to them in Nov. Not sure if paid it however

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ticket-reseller-viagogo-fined-7-million-over-google-ads-booking-fees/news-story/d238835bff977adb214df307b4692ba7

Yeah 7 million is just a slap on the wrist from them compared the the income they receive.

I have only ever bought from Ticketmaster myself but even they are a complete ripoff with all their charges. They are also just as bad with their on sold inflated ticket prices.

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#2647157 4-Feb-2021 15:49

How do they work? Do they have the tickets or do they run off and (automatically) buy them when you place your order.

I took a quick look and for the double header at Eden Park on Sunday they are offering 10 tickets with their cheapest being $61, a ticket you can buy for $15 yourself. If they have purchased the ticket and nobody buys it then they've lost money haven't they?

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#2647166 4-Feb-2021 15:56

duckDecoy:

How do they work? Do they have the tickets or do they run off and (automatically) buy them when you place your order.

I took a quick look and for the double header at Eden Park on Sunday they are offering 10 tickets with their cheapest being $61, a ticket you can buy for $15 yourself. If they have purchased the ticket and nobody buys it then they've lost money haven't they?

I think it's just a platform scalpers use to sell their tickets?

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#2647177 4-Feb-2021 16:16

duckDecoy:

How do they work? Do they have the tickets or do they run off and (automatically) buy them when you place your order.

I took a quick look and for the double header at Eden Park on Sunday they are offering 10 tickets with their cheapest being $61, a ticket you can buy for $15 yourself. If they have purchased the ticket and nobody buys it then they've lost money haven't they?

Scalpers, Those with legitimate reason to resale, and viagogo themselves with one of the many credit cards and agreements with dodgy promoters to get first dibs and put them online within seconds of main sale. Speculative/Ghost ticket sellers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbVaq1mDbG8

They 'guarantee' all tickets sold. Even though the seller does not need proof that it is legitimate. And promoter and or concert can invalidate onsold tickets. Turn up, don't get in.

Then good luck applying for that refund/guarantee. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114806883/ticket-reseller-viagogo-refunds-money-for-invalid-tickets-despite-earlier-refusal

I can't find the original documentary, but it had a whistle blower showing books of credit cards and explaining they had teams of people lapping them up. Then reselling. That way they ensured they got them, and could guarantee any issues. But profited heavily

/edit - found it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgW9n04aqfo

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#2648116 5-Feb-2021 12:48

How do you propose NZ bans them ? serious question

NZ would have to put a 100% ban on reselling tickets . That will never happen
Or put a ban on reselling for more than the original price : unworkable & unenforceable .
All unenforcable on overseas websites & overseas companies .

Truth is , NZ cant ban Viagogo and cant stop them.
If Viagogo was shut down, another exactly the same or worse would pop up in its place .

People are stupid, even smart people can be stupid and buy from reseller sites & scalpers . Yes I said the S word , many reselling their tickets are just scalpers .

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#2648238 5-Feb-2021 15:46

1101:

How do you propose NZ bans them ? serious question

NZ would have to put a 100% ban on reselling tickets . That will never happen
Or put a ban on reselling for more than the original price : unworkable & unenforceable .
All unenforcable on overseas websites & overseas companies .

Truth is , NZ cant ban Viagogo and cant stop them.
If Viagogo was shut down, another exactly the same or worse would pop up in its place .

People are stupid, even smart people can be stupid and buy from reseller sites & scalpers . Yes I said the S word , many reselling their tickets are just scalpers .

Honestly I have no idea.

Perhaps massive fines per offence , a million bucks per go that would slow them down and stop any new ones popping up ??

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#2648312 5-Feb-2021 17:04

Sellers must provide photo ID proof of address IRD and event and seller must be resident inside nz.

Companies gst registered

Maybe cash not released until after event occurred

Viagogo is legally responsible for costs in event of fraudulent activity

Tickets labelled not for resale, can not be resold