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Eva888

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#324310 26-Mar-2026 13:36
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Maybe the time has come to start a thread to share ideas on prepping and survival for what is likely ahead with the war situation and for us in NZ it can double as earthquake and calamity preparedness. The hive mind and #8 wire mentality here is perfect for this and readers can easily find the ideas in one place.

 

Without calling doom and gloom, we need to be prepared for farmers not being able to produce and what they do produce not getting to the markets.

 

If the worst happens, farmers will hunker down and provide enough for their own survival until the situation changes. Ditto with imports like rice and other goods. Countries will stock their own larders before they consider stocking ours…if they can reach us.

Apart from the obvious of storing dried foods like lentils, chick peas, flour, yeast, rice, dried milk and canned goods. I have bought seeds and am starting a crop of silverbeet and perpetual spinach in egg cartons to plant out. Some in pots in case the wind kills off the garden. Maybe will plant carrots and beetroot as well. 

 

Have also bought seedlings but a packet of seeds has a few hundred potential plants whereas a punnet has six. It takes a couple months before you get results to eat, so now is the time to begin. 

 

 

 

Best case is the situation will improve, but imagine the unthinkable worse case. If we are already worried about fuel being stolen, imagine how low some people will stoop if food becomes scarce, so security is also part of the discussion.

 


Hoping people share their prepping ideas especially to help the last few generations who have never experienced war or loss of necessities and most have no idea where their food comes from and imagine the Supermarket and Mall will always magically provide. I so wish survival and awareness skills were taught in schools. 

 


Up till now the effects of wars were always distant and what other people suffer. Now the problems are fast arriving on our own doorstep. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #3474011 26-Mar-2026 14:00
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"If the worst happens"

 

What is "The worst"??..

 

Do you have a gun?..

 

Because it sounds like your "worst" is still a bit up the path from my "worst"




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  #3474075 26-Mar-2026 14:53
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wellygary:

 

"If the worst happens"

 

What is "The worst"??..

 

Do you have a gun?..

 

Because it sounds like your "worst" is still a bit up the path from my "worst"

 

 

 

 

In the current context, 'worst' is we run out of fuel. Does anyone thinks that’s impossible? 


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  #3474078 26-Mar-2026 14:56
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I recently saw some projections for Marlborough if the Wairau fault goes in a big way.  25,000 instantly homeless.

 

I think we're as well prepared as we can be.   Lots of frozen, canned and dehydrated food.  40L of frozen freshwater and hand operated water filters. We have a small genny, which would keep the freezer cool if we're careful.  We have tents, mats and sleeping bags.  I can fish, freedive and hunt. Longer term I can grow (we always have seeds around) and farm (deer, cattle, sheep, chooks).  I habitually keep us topped up with LPG, fuel and charcoal.  I have suitable equipment to repel criminals.

 

 




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  #3474082 26-Mar-2026 15:04
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It's not just about having something, but also about keeping it. In such a situation, one has to expect marauding and looting individuals. 😁





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  #3474090 26-Mar-2026 15:21
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MikeAqua:

 

I recently saw some projections for Marlborough if the Wairau fault goes in a big way.  25,000 instantly homeless.

 

I think we're as well prepared as we can be.   Lots of frozen, canned and dehydrated food.  40L of frozen freshwater and hand operated water filters. We have a small genny, which would keep the freezer cool if we're careful.  We have tents, mats and sleeping bags.  I can fish, freedive and hunt. Longer term I can grow (we always have seeds around) and farm (deer, cattle, sheep, chooks).  I habitually keep us topped up with LPG, fuel and charcoal.  I have suitable equipment to repel criminals.

 

 

 

 

Wish we were all this sorted. You sound prepared for Armageddon :) 

 

Generator requires fuel so how long could you keep all the frozen stuff solid with what you have on hand?  We have a small generator bought after the last big quake but never used it and if fuel is not available it’s a large door stop. 

 

Poorer countries like Lebanon rely on generators most of the time since they suffer constant power cuts but they have huge ones set up in the neighbourhoods which feed a group of homes. They are well organised since the war. 


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  #3474098 26-Mar-2026 15:39
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Eva888:

 

Generator requires fuel so how long could you keep all the frozen stuff solid with what you have on hand?  We have a small generator bought after the last big quake but never used it and if fuel is not available it’s a large door stop. 

 

The boat has plenty of fuel in it.  I filled it up on the way home at Waitangi weekend.  Three or four hours of genny use per day will keep our freezer frozen, (if we only open it once per day).  

 

 

 

Eva888:

 

Wish we were all this sorted. You sound prepared for Armageddon :) 

 

Generator requires fuel so how long could you keep all the frozen stuff solid with what you have on hand?  We have a small generator bought after the last big quake but never used it and if fuel is not available it’s a large door stop. 

 

 

Most of it is just hobbies, life experience and laziness (I shop big, less often for non-perishables).





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  #3474102 26-Mar-2026 15:49
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High‑value luxury items suitable for barter during a severe global‑disruption scenario in New Zealand Alcohol, tobacco, chocolate, tea, coffee. These goods store easy, people will want a coffee fix.


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  #3474106 26-Mar-2026 15:57
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Luxury goods are the first things that have to be sold off at rock-bottom prices. Not a good idea. Cities are becoming unsafe places, and hidden, safe places should have been established long ago. And addictions to addictive substances (alcohol, coffee, tea, sugar, drugs, and luxury goods) would be better off not existing in the first place. 🤣





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  #3474107 26-Mar-2026 16:03
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Tinkerisk: It's not just about having something, but also about keeping it. In such a situation, one has to expect marauding and looting individuals. 😁

I don't believe we have any need for that kind of situation in New Zealand.

Hydro supplies most of our electricity, not oil based. We produce more food than we consume by a long shot. We can mostly still continue to do that without fertilizers if we have to. Distribution of that produce is potentially a bit challenging but not an impossible issue far from it.

So, NZ has everything it needs and more than enough. I am a bit concerned that our government appears to be reluctant to promulgate even basic elements of Wheaton's Law and at the least appears to be failing a bit in the communications dept because, yes, people are definitely starting to feel like there are some aspects not being attended to.

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  #3474109 26-Mar-2026 16:07
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gzt:
Tinkerisk: It's not just about having something, but also about keeping it. In such a situation, one has to expect marauding and looting individuals. 😁

I don't believe we have any need for that kind of situation in New Zealand.

Hydro supplies most of our electricity, not oil based. We produce more food than we consume by a long shot. We can mostly still continue to do that without fertilizers if we have to. Distribution of that produce is potentially a bit challenging but not an impossible issue far from it.

So, NZ has everything it needs and more than enough. I am a bit concerned that our government appears to be reluctant to promulgate even basic elements of Wheaton's Law and at the least appears to be failing a bit in the communications dept because, yes, people are definitely starting to feel like there are some aspects not being attended to.

 

Without wanting to cause panic or spread fear: you're mistaken, unfortunately. You (we too) can't (re)vert to the (farming) technology of the early 20th century that quickly. Just milking a cow by hand, spare parts for agricultural production, medication for lifestyle diseases (obesity, high blood pressure, and more serious issues). Farmers would have the most realistic chance for themselves and a few others (paying customers), but what about everyone else? Besides, it would mean weeding fields as a day laborer for food instead of having a well-paid managerial job in a Wellington office.

 

I must be quiet now, or I'll be seen as a prophet of the apocalypse (I once had to deal with this topic extensively for professional reasons).

 

 





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  #3474116 26-Mar-2026 16:28
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I think that's more in the realm of fantasy than the actual situation at the moment. You're talking about total collapse and adding in some magical element where all technologies instantly fail. I'm quite happy to argue the possibilities on that but we should probably start another thread for that one.

 
 
 
 

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  #3474118 26-Mar-2026 16:35
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gzt: I think that's more in the realm of fantasy than the actual situation at the moment. You're talking about total collapse and adding in some magical element where all technologies instantly fail. I'm quite happy to argue the possibilities on that but we should probably start another thread for that one.

 

Yes, that sounds like it. But the subject of this thread is about „survival“ and „the worst.“

 

And COVID has mercilessly shown how quickly things can change. And we're „just“ one city of 2 million inhabitants surrounded by vast agricultural areas.

 

Toilet paper will be the first thing to run out. 😁





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  #3474119 26-Mar-2026 16:36
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I believe the world will come to its senses before it gets that bad. 


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  #3474120 26-Mar-2026 16:38
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Senecio:

 

I believe the world will come to its senses before it gets that bad. 

 

 

That would clearly be the better solution.

 

 





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  #3474121 26-Mar-2026 16:38
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If the worst happens and food stops being delivered to shops, then we'll all start to get a bit skinnier as supplies dwindle. As in Venezuela a few years ago (food crisis led to an average weight loss of about 9 kg), or Cuba today. Hopefully law and order would be maintained as us city folk became more adept at urban gardening. But thefts would undoubtedly skyrocket, and would sometimes lead to violence. Farmers in NZ would, even without diesel, eventually be able to produce enough calories to feed the population, but distributing this to the urban population centres would be a challenge. 

 

But if the situation gets to this point, the economy will be wrecked, many business will cease to operate. The businesses which depend on those businesses will then cease to operate. A lot of people will be out of work, including the previously highly paid technologists (which many of us here are). Life savings up in smoke, the bank will take our house. Anyone who can leave the country will do so at the first opportunity, perhaps when supplies are restored. 

 

If we're reverting to subsistence agriculture, it means our economy is a basket-case, banana-republic, third-world, gone-burger. 

 

I already grow heaps of stuff in my garden and collect seeds for planting in subsequent seasons. But it's a hobby, not a replacement for more than ~2% of our annual calorie intake (rough estimate, five people). I do have more lawn I could dig to plant potatoes, which are very easy to grow. But again, not enough for subsistence, and if I lose my job then I lose my house too. 


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