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Topic # 51689 30-Nov-2009 22:56
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Hi,


Recently all must be seeing a lot of news reg this erebus saga, how a few of them have been selected to go to the base and another one were mike pero tries to charter a flight. 


But I have a different doubt. Wenver i see the news i only see ppl getting off and on the "US Air force" flight to and from Chch. How come when this is a NZ tragedy, our airforce is not involved in it? Do we not have enough resources to fly a plane there? 


or do we need some special rights to land there? , and if so were the case, why cant we get permission to land there is this issue is to be taken seriously ( i mean taking the loved ones bak to the scene)


any ideas?

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  Reply # 278100 30-Nov-2009 23:12
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The thing I found most ironic about the whole Mike Pero saga was the fact that the very families belittling him, and the idea as insensitive, were those that got to fly to the site through the Air NZ lottery system in choosing the lucky half dozen. Then yesterday one of them said the only sad thing was all of the families who have lost loved one dont get the same opportunity!?!?

Hang on, a guy was attempting to make that a distinct possibility and you all jumped on the hate wagon!!

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  Reply # 278107 30-Nov-2009 23:32
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You can't just land a plane there. The environment and lack of locally available resources means that it requires specialized skills and equipment. The US Airforce runs a yearly operation during the summer flying personnel and supplies from Christchurch to McMurdo (which is an American base). So they were the most realistic option.

What Mike Pero put forward was just a fly-over scenic flight, for which the people wanting to go would have to pay. At that point it's no different than the commercial scenic flights Qantas are offering to anyone.

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  Reply # 278141 1-Dec-2009 07:41
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Jarno:
What Mike Pero put forward was just a fly-over scenic flight, for which the people wanting to go would have to pay. At that point it's no different than the commercial scenic flights Qantas are offering to anyone.


He was actually going to be using a Qastas aircraft with Qantas crew but fly from NZ rather than AU. Qantas run numerous flights every year and have done so for quite some time.

Once again NZ tall poppy syndrome trait ruins it for everybody.

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  Reply # 278153 1-Dec-2009 08:45
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sep11guy: Hi,


Recently all must be seeing a lot of news reg this erebus saga, how a few of them have been selected to go to the base and another one were mike pero tries to charter a flight. 


But I have a different doubt. Wenver i see the news i only see ppl getting off and on the "US Air force" flight to and from Chch. How come when this is a NZ tragedy, our airforce is not involved in it? Do we not have enough resources to fly a plane there? 


or do we need some special rights to land there? , and if so were the case, why cant we get permission to land there is this issue is to be taken seriously ( i mean taking the loved ones bak to the scene)


any ideas?


About this time of year you need ski equipped aircraft as the Ice runway is soft. NZ dont have any. Also the Pero Flight was never going to land just fly over it.

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  Reply # 278180 1-Dec-2009 10:05
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A good friend of mine lost his dad & uncle (and I think his grandfather too) in the crash. Each year him and his brother go "bush" to escape the media circus/hype that surrounds this event.

I think they just wish the country would move on from this and stop dredging up a painful memory to fill up the weeks "News" programs.

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  Reply # 278181 1-Dec-2009 10:08
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Firstly, Air NZ do not have the experience to do it themselves, they would need our air force to do it for them, they have never landed their own 757s there. And as Steve pointed out, the Aussie do it all the time to their own base.

I think this is a bit sour, after condeming Mike Pero for trying to do it out of his own pocket, to then go and say they are looking at doing it themselves, and want the government to help pay for it...

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  Reply # 278273 1-Dec-2009 13:39
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rscole86: Firstly, Air NZ do not have the experience to do it themselves, they would need our air force to do it for them, they have never landed their own 757s there. And as Steve pointed out, the Aussie do it all the time to their own base.

I think this is a bit sour, after condeming Mike Pero for trying to do it out of his own pocket, to then go and say they are looking at doing it themselves, and want the government to help pay for it...


757's would never land there.

The RNZAF do send their C130 Herc's and Orions but oviously the Americans fly a lot more frequently from NZ which is why the NZers presumably caught one of their flights.


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  Reply # 278995 3-Dec-2009 12:11
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sbiddle:

Once again NZ tall poppy syndrome trait ruins it for everybody.



Totally agree, to have Air NZ now say they want to do it makes me laugh



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  Reply # 278997 3-Dec-2009 12:23
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One more thing I am surprized is that this thing happend some 30yrs? ago right... then hw come Air NZ was sleeping on it for so many years ??

Papers say Air NZ slammed Mike Pero and was very opportunistic. If Air NZ was so generous why did not it arrange for something like a visit for everybody involved in this... - it would have even boosted their image, rather than throwing mud on someone who is trying to do his bit......

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