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Topic # 58031 4-Mar-2010 23:27
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I never knew Cable Car Lane in Wellington had a smoking ban:

http://www.3news.co.nz/Wellington-woman-launches-petition-to-ban-smoking-in-CBD/tabid/817/articleID/125621/Default.aspx

By the way there is a counter e-petition to still allow smoking:

http://www.wellington.govt.nz/haveyoursay/e-petitions/ep/details/105
(only a few days left to sign)

it's amazing how people want to ban something to fix the problem. if that women doesn't like smoke she should just wear a doctor's mask thing.

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  Reply # 304638 5-Mar-2010 00:02
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Why should she? She has just as much right to clean, fresh air as smokers do to smoke.

I think this is a tough issue where someone's going to get trampled on - because there is no fair and equitable way to do things here.

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  Reply # 304639 5-Mar-2010 00:08
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its good no more smoking. i go pass them all the time and it makes me sick. and i hate it.




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  Reply # 304650 5-Mar-2010 04:10
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zkcow: Why should she? She has just as much right to clean, fresh air as smokers do to smoke.

I think this is a tough issue where someone's going to get trampled on - because there is no fair and equitable way to do things here.


difference:

smokers are not telling the council to force people to wear masks

women wants council to force people not to smoke there.

the democratic thing to do is to allow people to smoke and the lady can wear a mask if she wants or just put up with it.

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  Reply # 304656 5-Mar-2010 07:16
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It's political correctness gone mad.

I think that smokers should have enough courtesy not to smoke in areas where it would cause a problem to non-smokers, but common courtesy isn't something that can be forced.

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  Reply # 304663 5-Mar-2010 08:09
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The Japanese have one of the highest smoking rates in the world but it's now common to see entire streets that are now smoke free in Tokyo.

People need to build a bridge and get over it.

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Reply # 304669 5-Mar-2010 08:36
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alasta: It's political correctness gone mad.

I think that smokers should have enough courtesy not to smoke in areas where it would cause a problem to non-smokers, but common courtesy isn't something that can be forced.


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  Reply # 304671 5-Mar-2010 08:51
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Ban it completely. It causes more bad health issues then party pills ever did.

Another option is to keep raising the min age by a year each year so that we slowing get rid of it.

Banning smoking in pubs etc just made it horrible for non-smokers to eat or drink outside as thats where all the smokers are now.




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  Reply # 304672 5-Mar-2010 08:52
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geekiegeek: Ban it completely. It causes more bad health issues then party pills ever did.

Another option is to keep raising the min age by a year each year so that we slowing get rid of it.

Banning smoking in pubs etc just made it horrible for non-smokers to eat or drink outside as thats where all the smokers are now.


and TAX the death out of it

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  Reply # 304675 5-Mar-2010 08:56
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All this talk of smoking makes me need to nip outside a bit earlier than normal!

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  Reply # 304742 5-Mar-2010 12:59
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johnr:
geekiegeek: Ban it completely. It causes more bad health issues then party pills ever did.

Another option is to keep raising the min age by a year each year so that we slowing get rid of it.

Banning smoking in pubs etc just made it horrible for non-smokers to eat or drink outside as thats where all the smokers are now.


and TAX the death out of it


I thought they were planning that?  I remember Key saying that they want a 20 pack of cigarettes to cost $20 by the end of the year. 




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  Reply # 304743 5-Mar-2010 13:00
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Kyanar:
johnr:
geekiegeek: Ban it completely. It causes more bad health issues then party pills ever did.

Another option is to keep raising the min age by a year each year so that we slowing get rid of it.

Banning smoking in pubs etc just made it horrible for non-smokers to eat or drink outside as thats where all the smokers are now.


and TAX the death out of it


I thought they were planning that? ?I remember Key saying that they want a 20 pack of cigarettes to cost $20 by the end of the year.?


make it $50

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Reply # 304746 5-Mar-2010 13:03
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I'm still laughing at the fact that the petition has been open 5 months, yet only 35 people have signed it.

Think you need a few more than that to take it to the WCC 

The John Lennon memorial statue is fast catching up:
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/haveyoursay/e-petitions/ep/details/110
 




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  Reply # 304765 5-Mar-2010 14:01
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johnr:
geekiegeek: Ban it completely. It causes more bad health issues then party pills ever did.

Another option is to keep raising the min age by a year each year so that we slowing get rid of it.

Banning smoking in pubs etc just made it horrible for non-smokers to eat or drink outside as thats where all the smokers are now.


and TAX the death out of it


+1 on the tax.  Apparently smoke-related illnesses cost the taxypayer $1.5bn per annum, whereas taxes on smokes only bring in $1bn.  I say a 50% increase in the tax should even things up.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/3273002/New-Zealanders-want-cigarettes-banned-by-2020



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  Reply # 305082 6-Mar-2010 21:26
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Ok, so that's true that the council would be forcing smokers not to smoke - and yes, that's where the difference lies.

But the government also tells you not to murder people. All those who don't want to get killed should invest in stab-proof vests. The govt also tells you not to expose yourself in public - all those who don't want to see that should just wear a blindfold. (Reductio ad absurdum, maybe, but the point still stands.)

Personally, I think smoking should be banned (at least in public places). It's a drain on society and it's not pleasant for those of who make a conscious choice to not smoke. We have several free public concerts every year in Rotorua, and all of them are ruined by smokers. It does stink, it is unpleasant, and it's not healthy - for us non-smokers, let alone the smokers themselves.

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  Reply # 305120 6-Mar-2010 23:22
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I agree with banning smoking completly, my work takes me around the CBD in wellington, alot of the time between HSBC tower and ANZ tower which I nick name Smoker Ally as it is always full of smokers.
I don't like walking between these buildings as you can't avoide breating in the fumes and I believe they should ban smoking there as the airflow is not that great (another reason people like sitting around there I guess).
I have always known that Cable car lane is smoke free so why do smokers not notice?

I almost went to complain to the manager of the telecom store the other day when two telecom staff were smoking right outside our door to avoid being seen smoking around their store but they were still showing off their telecom branded shirts etc so it was very easy to know where they were from.
Maybe at least ban smoking within 20meters of building entrances and beaches etc would be a start.

One thing I am happy to say about the team of 13 people that i work in none of us smoke and that I believe also increaces our turn over of jobs as we don't spend at least 20min of every hour being paid to smoke (which is not allowed in the contract but other departments don't police it).
My work colouge in his previous job actually went outside with the smokers and went for a walk while they were smoking and when his manager questioned it as he was not a smoker his response was "if they can have 20min every hour to have a brake and be paid for it so can I" and they instantly clamped down on it that they could only smoke at the designated break times.
So I can see banning it being a win win situation for people's health and companies alike.

bring on smoke free New Zealand.

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