Russell Norman

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manta

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#63051 19-Jun-2010 22:27

Shame the earlier thread was locked. I'm afraid that whilst I don't condone anyone's security from preventing someone from exercising their right to protest in a free and democratic country, I do think it is not a good look for a NZ MP to be making such a protest in the first place; it is a rude and embarrassing affront to the nation's guest (no matter whether you love or loathe the system that he represents) and as such Norman should be censured by his party.

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#343342 19-Jun-2010 22:52

Guess you won't be voting - or complaining - about anything from here on in then. Been nice having you here. Not.

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#343348 20-Jun-2010 00:10

Did you hear Norman's effeminate shrill "Give me my flag back"?

[EDIT MOD RC:removed offensive language, consider this a warning.]

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#343364 20-Jun-2010 01:45

No wonder the last thread got locked...

He had a right to protest, he was not hurting anyone and it was wrong that a leader of a democratic political party should be roughed up by the Chinese on the grounds of Parliament.
Those guys where in the wrong and should have shown more respect for Russell.

Zippity, aren't you glad you can say that rubbish in NZ, if you said that in China, you would be getting a beating from those thugs for your views.

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#343373 20-Jun-2010 05:50

Zippity: Did you hear Norman's effeminate shrill "Give me my flag back"?

It was gold!!! He sounded like such a cry baby, worth watching the footage (assuming it's up on the web site) just to listen to him.

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#343376 20-Jun-2010 07:46

This is your one and only warning. Keep this on topic, free from offensive language, and within the forum usage guidelines, or it will be locked again.

guyz

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#343381 20-Jun-2010 08:22

rscole86: This is your one and only warning. Keep this on topic, free from offensive language, and within the forum usage guidelines, or it will be locked again.

wow....is this new zealand or china??

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#343393 20-Jun-2010 09:11

I guess anyone would cry out when they had their hand under the boot of the Chinese security guard.

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#343396 20-Jun-2010 09:27

My feeling was that it was a photo opp. for the benefit of his own political career and the Greens and in the process risked risked significant political damage for NZ.

If he was in power would he stop trading with the Chinese? I don't think so.

manta

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#343398 20-Jun-2010 09:36

pedrogarcia: Guess you won't be voting - or complaining - about anything from here on in then. Been nice having you here. Not.

Norman, unlike the rest of us, has the perfect forum (parliament) for getting his views over to the Chinese in a more productive and forceful way than a shambolic and weedy publicity stunt.

I believe, as much as anybody, that we all have a right to protest but if you hold public office you have a duty to those who elected you and one of those duties is not to bring your country into disrepute.

If you read my post you'll see that I said I don't agree with what the Chinese thugs did and I think it is pathetic that the police don't have 'sufficient evidence' to charge the Chinese minders with assault. But the point was that Norman's protest, given that he is an elected member of the government, was inappropriate. Like your last sentence.

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#343400 20-Jun-2010 09:55

guyz:
rscole86: This is your one and only warning. Keep this on topic, free from offensive language, and within the forum usage guidelines, or it will be locked again.

wow....is this new zealand or china??

This is New Zealand. You can say anything, providing it is within the common rules everyone understands and agreed upon.

For example, Geekzone is a private place. You agreed with our FUG when you clicked that button (I will reset your account so you can click it again).

Since this is "private" the rules here are different than the ones in the public. Our rules says clearly not to use offensive language. Our rules also say no use of Godwin's Law, which you used last time and made me lock the other thread.

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#343402 20-Jun-2010 10:10

guyz:
rscole86: This is your one and only warning. Keep this on topic, free from offensive language, and within the forum usage guidelines, or it will be locked again.

wow....is this new zealand or china??

As Mauricio pointed out, this is New Zealand, but Geekzone is a private space. There are certain rules that you must abide by, you broke those rules in the last thread and it had to be locked. If you look up, you will see that Zippity pushed those rules again, so I have edited his post, and given everyone a warning.
If you play by the rules, then you can ignore my post, and you have nothing to worry about. But if you try pushing them too far, or chose to ignore them, you will be shown the door.

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#343403 20-Jun-2010 10:17

Just another example of private vs public: go to a pub and be nuisance, calling people names. See how fast the police is called and you get served a trespass notice.

Now back on topic.

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Zippity

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#343423 20-Jun-2010 11:56

hellonearthisman: No wonder the last thread got locked...

He had a right to protest, he was not hurting anyone and it was wrong that a leader of a democratic political party should be roughed up by the Chinese on the grounds of Parliament.
Those guys where in the wrong and should have shown more respect for Russell.

Zippity, aren't you glad you can say that rubbish in NZ, if you said that in China, you would be getting a beating from those thugs for your views.

My apologies for the use of a word which has since been edited.

In China there would not have been a problem with Mr Norman as he would have already been removed from circulation by the Chinese Authorities.

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#343431 20-Jun-2010 12:27

In my opinion Norman went there to provoke a reaction - and is now crying over that confrontation. He was dealing with security that is protecting somebody who will soon be one of the most powerful men in the world. Provoking them into a reaction is nothing but total and utter stupidity. Protesting through official channels that he has access to as an MP would have been far more effective but instead he chose the attention seeking option and is now crying because somebody spilt his milk and trod of his cookies.

It's a lot like Keith Locke bleating when the US introduced their new immigration regulations requiring fingerprints and photographs, even if you're in transit to London. He had a choice of avoiding the US entirely if he chose to travel via Asia, but instead took a flight via the USA knowing the consequencies and then moaned to whoever wanted to listen because the US now had his fingerprints and photo on file.