Burqa's in New Zealand

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carlyh

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#67164 29-Aug-2010 17:29

Hey everyone,

If you're interested, please take my survey on a Burqa ban in New Zealand...

https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDlpZUFmZlp0cEREOV9UbS0tTjZrZUE6MQ

Or tell me your opinions here:

What would your opinion be if New Zealand enforced a public Burqa ban??
Do you agree with the French Burqa ban?

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#374246 29-Aug-2010 18:35

I support a ban. It's an oppressive tool against women.

Do whatever you want to do man.

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#374249 29-Aug-2010 18:43

billgates: I support a ban. It's an oppressive tool against women.

+1. And, if we went to muslim country and dressed in a manner that was against their custom, I'm sure you would know about it PDQ.

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#374250 29-Aug-2010 18:49

Done. As an aside, I though this was a topic about burgers in New Zealand made by someone who could not spell.... "Burga's in New Zealand";-) ......

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#374292 29-Aug-2010 20:40

eracode:
billgates: I support a ban. It's an oppressive tool against women.

+1. And, if we went to muslim country and dressed in a manner that was against their custom, I'm sure you would know about it PDQ.

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#374316 29-Aug-2010 22:09

eracode:
billgates: I support a ban. It's an oppressive tool against women.

+1. And, if we went to muslim country and dressed in a manner that was against their custom, I'm sure you would know about it PDQ.

If Burqa's actually were against NZ "custom" you would have a point, but that is not the case.

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#374332 29-Aug-2010 23:18

I support the expression af a diverse range of cultures and beliefs in this country. I don't suppot the narrow minded view that one culture has the right to force others based on one point of view.

eracode:
billgates: I support a ban. It's an oppressive tool against women.

+1.
And, if we went to muslim country and dressed in a manner that was
against their custom, I'm sure you would know about it PDQ.

As far as I was aware New Zealand custom is to accept others?
And oppressing women? I know plenty of completely independant Muslim women who choose to wear head dress. The Qur'an teaches modesty, and there are many women who choose their own definition of what that means without any opression.

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#374342 29-Aug-2010 23:42

I support the burqa ban, but only as part of my support for a ban on any and all religions, religious symbols, religious culture, and iconography.

want to ban burqas? fine, but also ban jewish skullcaps, sikh turbans, christian crucifixes, cathlic rosaries, churches, mosques, synagogues, etc etc

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#374363 30-Aug-2010 05:30

Check your facts people before you sound like American citizens that follow things like sheep but have no clue whats going on.

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#374376 30-Aug-2010 07:38

billgates: I support a ban. It's an oppressive tool against women.

+1

As someone who was born and raised in France, I couldn't agree more. It makes me sick to watch French news on TV and see these women demonstrate saying they wear it by choice

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#374378 30-Aug-2010 07:49

Might as well ban the poo pants as well !

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#374396 30-Aug-2010 09:08

Ban it - NZ is not an Arabic country

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#374417 30-Aug-2010 09:53

NonprayingMantis: I support the burqa ban, but only as part of my support for a ban on any and all religions, religious symbols, religious culture, and iconography.

want to ban burqas? fine, but also ban jewish skullcaps, sikh turbans, christian crucifixes, cathlic rosaries, churches, mosques, synagogues, etc etc

Exactly. If they're making a conscious choice to wear it and it's of their own free will, who am I to say if they can wear it or not, and why just focus on Islam?

I'm an atheist and a skeptic, but I also believe in religious freedoms - something that separates New Zealand from some of the Islamic countries that forces you to conform to a set dress code based on religion.

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#374421 30-Aug-2010 09:58

As far as I was aware New Zealand custom is to accept others?
And oppressing women? I know plenty of completely independant Muslim women who choose to wear head dress. The Qur'an teaches modesty, and there are many women who choose their own definition of what that means without any opression.

Ah - thats the thing - Any body or group that dictates a 'policy' can be seen to be oppressive.
You could argue that government is oppressive as well - but without that our society falls apart.

People 'choose' religion or have it ingrained into them from an early age so perhaps have less choice in the matter.

The burqa is sexist unless islamic men are expected to wear it as well - otherwise its just a tool to oppress women.

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#374423 30-Aug-2010 10:03

Agree with NonPrayingMantis and also want to add:

The woman's rights argument doesn't work in this situation. What would happen if it got banned? The woman would be worse off, in the fact that her husband/religion wouldn't allow her to leave the house not wearing one. So she's be basically kept captive in her home. If we ban religious dress, then we are just as bad as the countries which force others to follow their beliefs.

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#374424 30-Aug-2010 10:05

robjg63:
The burqa is sexist unless islamic men are expected to wear it as well - otherwise its just a tool to oppress women.

Catholocism only allows male ministers, should we ban the religion?

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