Tint law exemption possibly?

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Bassl0va

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#70635 27-Oct-2010 23:54

Ok, a rather strange question here. I couldn't find anything on any websites about it. I have a Ford EF Falcon (class MA vehicle) which would normally be 35% on everything apart from the windshield which would be 70%. Now, say I fully replace the rear seats of the car with something like this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/meade916/honda%20rebuild/DSC07351.jpg .
Clearly you can't see out the back windows so tint darkness shouldn't matter. This has been done before in NZ so it must be fine. But would I need to register the car as a different class?

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#396620 28-Oct-2010 00:28

It is pretty clear..

"A transparent overlay applied to a rear window of a car (sedan, station wagon, hatchback, sports car or convertible) must have an overall VLT of at least 35 percent.

An overlay fitted to a rear window of any other vehicle, including a stretch limousine and body transfer vehicle, may be of any tint level."

See: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/factsheets/39/vehicle-windows-wipers-and-mirrors.html#film

I don't think you could get your "car" classed as anything but a "car" or do you want it classed as a van or limo?

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#396621 28-Oct-2010 00:42

Good vehicle. back seats must be permanantly disabled when I last looked into it, but that was some time ago. I think they have tightened up on the herse registrations because of the people using it to pay less rego.

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Bassl0va

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#396624 28-Oct-2010 01:01

I have already read that site and a bunch more. Still doesn't say anything about stuff like this.

Thanks, yeah, would that be like getting the seat belt/seat mounting points welded over or something? Even though it is not like anyone is going to be able to sit back there anyway. Haha. Oh also, would a full size rear window sticker be allowed also? Because there are limitations on how big stickers on the windows can be right?

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#396676 28-Oct-2010 09:12

The vehicle would need to be also classed as commercial to be able to do what you want. Hence why any 4x4, SUV etc can be as dark as they want behind the driver. Best bet would be take your car to VTNZ, show them what you want to do and ask if it is possible.
If you remove the rear seats and seat belts you can then have the vehicle registered as a 2 seater. bear in mind tho to have it re-registered as 4/5 seater it will then need to be certified.

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#396686 28-Oct-2010 09:28

Rollux: Best bet would be take your car to VTNZ, show them what you want to do and ask if it is possible.

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Why take the risk making any major changes without checking with them first?

As I understand it you can't conceal people in the back seats. That's pretty much what it came down to. It's about safety for police officers sort of thing rather than anything to do with obstructing the drivers view, which is where it all gets a bit silly.

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#396717 28-Oct-2010 10:13

Oh also, would a full size rear window sticker be allowed also? Because there are limitations on how big stickers on the windows can be right?

All stickers must be within 100mm of any edge on your rear window.

There is a fine of $150 for obscuring your window.

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#396721 28-Oct-2010 10:20

Unless the vehicle is commercial, then it can cover the entire window. hell, you can even paint over ithe windows.

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#396732 28-Oct-2010 10:46

I'm pretty sure that you can't go darker then 30% on a car. Unless the factory glass is darker. My car (2 door) the rear side and rear glass is alot darker then 30 pretty much can't seen in ( or out at night) but it's factory glass so is legal. Fronts are slightly mirror as well which is also not legal unless factory.

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#396736 28-Oct-2010 11:09

Rollux: Unless the vehicle is commercial, then it can cover the entire window. hell, you can even paint over ithe windows.

Correct, I was merely reffering to the class MA as per the OP.

For reference, http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-in-service-certification/docs/gen-5-vision.pdf (580KB)
and, http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-in-service-certification/virm-in-service-certification.html .

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#396779 28-Oct-2010 12:15

rscole86:
Rollux: Unless the vehicle is commercial, then it can cover the entire window. hell, you can even paint over ithe windows.

Correct, I was merely reffering to the class MA as per the OP.

For reference, http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-in-service-certification/docs/gen-5-vision.pdf (580KB)
and, http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-in-service-certification/virm-in-service-certification.html .

Yep, I realise that. But for the OP, to do what he is after he may be able to remove the rear seats, have the vehicle registered as a 2 seater and useage changed to commercial.
They are all things we have to check when we carry out a WOF check. It gets very annoying with rep station wagons with tints or signage as some are classed as commercial, some aren't. And then you have to explain why one guy failed his warrant but that guy passed...

Bassl0va

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#396906 28-Oct-2010 16:20

Rollux:
rscole86:
Rollux: Unless the vehicle is commercial, then it can cover the entire window. hell, you can even paint over ithe windows.

Correct, I was merely reffering to the class MA as per the OP.

For reference, http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-in-service-certification/docs/gen-5-vision.pdf (580KB)
and, http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-in-service-certification/virm-in-service-certification.html .

Yep, I realise that. But for the OP, to do what he is after he may be able to remove the rear seats, have the vehicle registered as a 2 seater and useage changed to commercial.
They are all things we have to check when we carry out a WOF check. It gets very annoying with rep station wagons with tints or signage as some are classed as commercial, some aren't. And then you have to explain why one guy failed his warrant but that guy passed...

Yes, I already have the rear seats removed and the box fully replaces them. But the box is behind the rear window line and the seat belts are still in place. So the plan is to remove the current box and build the next one in there and fiberglass it up to the B-pillars/headliner etc. But before that the plan is to chuck some tint on and then paint the tint black. And throw a full size rear window sticker on.
So how would I go about changing the registration and usage?

Jaxson:
Rollux: Best bet would be take your car to VTNZ, show them what you want to do and ask if it is possible.
+1

Why take the risk making any major changes without checking with them first?

As I understand it you can't conceal people in the back seats. That's pretty much what it came down to. It's about safety for police officers sort of thing rather than anything to do with obstructing the drivers view, which is where it all gets a bit silly.

Yeah, that's why I asked here first. Because I didn't know what needed to be changed to make it legal.

Hmm, strange, but fair enough, gotta keep people safe.

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#396927 28-Oct-2010 17:02

No edit button? ^ I meant beneath the rear window line for the current box.

Rollux

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#397192 29-Oct-2010 09:59

To change registration and useage you need to fill in some forms at VTNZ and they need to check to make sure the car is in fact a 2 seater.

Bassl0va

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#397425 29-Oct-2010 16:20

Rollux: To change registration and useage you need to fill in some forms at VTNZ and they need to check to make sure the car is in fact a 2 seater.

So does that mean I have to build it before I go there? Or do I build the frame work then go there? Because I can't just go there with the back seats out because nothing would stop me from putting them back in right?

c71931f: How do you know that's even a NZ photo?
So are you wanting to tint anything or did you just randomly throw that into the post?
You need a cert anyway for those type of seats, for starters....

It's not a NZ photo, but it is exactly what I am doing. And I have seen walls done before at car shows.
I need to black out the rear windows fully because you don't want to see a bunch of wood through the windows. And I will most likely be putting a sticker that goes across the full length of the back window and 2/3rds of the height.
I'm not having those seats, it's the subwoofers behind the seat that I am talking about.

Bassl0va

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#398704 1-Nov-2010 18:35

c71931f: You can't tint any road legal vehicle, fully. Max is 5% (i think) for vans..

Any proof of this?
Even if the said window isn't even accessible from the inside of the car, let alone visible?

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