Maoris beating their kids. What the hell happened!

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Kaos36

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#75729 22-Jan-2011 09:58

Hone Harawira needs to get off his high horse and speak out against Maori beating their children to the nation telling Maori beating their children is wrong there's no mana in doing this how can Maori be a proud people when we have the highest rate of beating our kids!.

Brought up by a Maori mother and Croatian father. The only time my mother hit me was twice during my childhood life. Once when I was nine I called her a fat bitch. So I got what was coming. She chased me around the house with a broom which was quite easy getting away from her as mum was fat. I thought if I hide under the bed she'll never find me there! Well she did and wracked me or more poked me with the broom until i came out from under the bed then she clipped me around the ears and sent me to the bedroom for the rest of the day. Then at the end of the day she came in and gave me a hug and sent me to have dinner. 2nd time was when I punched my sister on the arm cause she called me a black bird and laughed. For some reason I just lost it and punch her on the arm quite hard where she went crying to mummy and mummy gave me another clip around the ears and sent me to my bedroom till dinner time.

My father never once hit me. He would just stare me down and say dont do that again. That was enough for me to stop doing it.

I disciplined my two sons but never beat them. Hugs is the best thing a child can receive from their parents after a smack. Not straight after a smack later on maybe after you got them to clean their room or do the dishes then give them that big hug. They will love you for it. Remeber that dads to be. :D

Some Maori out there look up to Hone, they have had a violent upbringing in the home where the violence will repeat over and over for generations to follow. Unless something is done their children will beat their children and so on. If Hone made a speech about the wrongs of beating your kids they will listen. Some will not care but Im sure the majority will take note. Plus I think he would earn back some respect from all New Zealanders.

This should be number one on the to-do list for the Maori Party.

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#429783 22-Jan-2011 11:00

It's not just a Maori issue though, its an issue that affects all ethnicities in this country. There is a culture of child abuse in New Zealand that is hard to identify and even harder to change. AFAIK The Maori party are actively speaking out against child abuse and have several programs and policies specifically relating to Maori family structure as well as general New Zealand family policy. Hone has his own policies and areas that he seeks to address, while I don't always agree with him, I do respect the passion he portrays. I don't think Hone speaking up about child abuse would create wide spread changes through Maoridom, but every voice counts I guess.

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#429804 22-Jan-2011 12:10

kingjj: It's not just a Maori issue though, its an issue that affects all ethnicities in this country. There is a culture of child abuse in New Zealand that is hard to identify and even harder to change. AFAIK The Maori party are actively speaking out against child abuse and have several programs and policies specifically relating to Maori family structure as well as general New Zealand family policy. Hone has his own policies and areas that he seeks to address, while I don't always agree with him, I do respect the passion he portrays. I don't think Hone speaking up about child abuse would create wide spread changes through Maoridom, but every voice counts I guess.

It aint just a Maori issue my mistake if I sounded like that but we are in the news more often than we should be when it comes to child abuse. Yes Maori party maybe speaking out about child abuse but not enough they should really hit home with it. I find they are more concerned about smoking and the damage it can do than about child abuse. We have websites to help maori stop smoking, we have anti smoking adds, even ads with maori speaking out against smoking.

Lets do the same and some more with child abuse. Its far more important than the smoking problem.

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#429808 22-Jan-2011 12:18

Sorry, it's primarily a Maori issue. And it doesn't affect all races. Name the last asian child killed by their parents. Saying it affects all races is a way of ignoring the fact that this is issue is owned by Maori.

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#429813 22-Jan-2011 12:22

I'm a whitey, and I used to get the bash from ages 3 (my earliest childhood memories) through to around 16. Most memorable one was a closed fist punch to the face (by my mother) giving me a bleeding nose when I was 5 for leaving my jacket at school. So I'd hazard a guess abuse is rife throughout all ethnicities in NZ.

I would also say the regular bashing has had a large, but not immediately obvious impact on my life and where I am "at" now.

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#429821 22-Jan-2011 12:30

You're still alive .. the Maori kids aren't.

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#429822 22-Jan-2011 12:33

gchiu: You're still alive .. the Maori kids aren't.

Sorry I didn't realise this was in the news/recent event being discussed? Just thought it was in general.

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#429824 22-Jan-2011 12:34

It happens overseas as well ... something needs to be done to stop it. Some of the Goverment agencies are failing their jobs as well.

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#429833 22-Jan-2011 12:49

gchiu: Sorry, it's primarily a Maori issue. And it doesn't affect all races. Name the last asian child killed by their parents. Saying it affects all races is a way of ignoring the fact that this is issue is owned by Maori.

Bull, child abuse takes on many forms. Just because a kid doesn't die does not mean that it isn't abuse. Worst case of child abuse published recently: Polynesian parents who tortured their 9 year old daughter, are you saying that this is out of the norm for Polynesians? I've worked with many youths who have been abused or who fear abuse, and the majority of them have not been Maori/Polynesian. One case that sticks to mind was a 15 year old Asian male who was caught stealing, first thing his mum did when she entered the room was slap him so hard he fell off the seat, we than had to physically restrain the dad from doing the same. It happens to all races, it just gets treated differently by the media.

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#429837 22-Jan-2011 13:00

Perhaps that's what we need ... more kids being disciplined when they commit illegal acts ie. zero tolerance. And were the parents convicted of child abuse?

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#429848 22-Jan-2011 13:33

I aplaud anyone that speaks out about this, dosn't matter if it's white, brown, black or polka dots it's wrong..... the worst thing unfortunatly for Maori is that they lead the stats in this area and the stats don't lie.

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#429850 22-Jan-2011 13:41

BTW, I don't think this is a "racial" issue but a cultural one. If you have a culture that idolizes violence then it's somewhat inevitable.

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#429857 22-Jan-2011 14:05

gchiu: BTW, I don't think this is a "racial" issue but a cultural one. If you have a culture that idolizes violence then it's somewhat inevitable.

That I actually agree with you on, there is a culture engrained that needs to be addressed. The parents of the asian boy I spoke of above were referred to CYF by the attending officers, I don't know the result.

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#429858 22-Jan-2011 14:26

I remember those ads on TV they had with the crying/screaming baby in the cot and it urged people not to hit/shake the baby but comfort it. What ever happened to those ads?

I have two white parents, both have hit me on the odd occasion when I was younger but I deserved it. Last time I remember being hit was when I called one of my parents the C word. Now if something happens it just ends up with me and dad/mum (usually dad though) yelling at each other from across the house until one of us gives up, then we shake hands an hour later and forget about it.

Govt. should give out free naughty chairs and an instructional dvd at birth for some parents. Those people that beat their kids (not talking about a smack or a clip around the ear, but a punch that would hurt an adult or something) should have the kids taken off them for good. Its not right.

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#429871 22-Jan-2011 14:58

I have a different view point of course. This issue is too engrained in NZ culture .. and needs more attention that a couple of DVDs.

No one should be allowed to have any kids until they pass a safe parenting course. If you don't pass, you don't get to keep your kids.

You also need to attend for regular parenting education. Don't attend, you lose any benefits the govt might be handing out. Fail, and you lose your kids.

No whanau can be allowed to look after some other relatives' kids until they also pass the tests.

Remember, the kids from these parents are the ones who will rob you, bash you, or some otherway negatively impact on our society. And it's our tax payer monies that are supporting their lifestyles.

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#429875 22-Jan-2011 15:16

gchiu: Sorry, it's primarily a Maori issue. And it doesn't affect all races. Name the last asian child killed by their parents. Saying it affects all races is a way of ignoring the fact that this is issue is owned by Maori.

This is probably the single most ignorant statement I've ever seen here at Geekzone.

You want to know the reason you can't name the Asian child killed by their parents? Because it didn't make the news, not because it didn't happen. I'm a doctor and I've worked at Starship, there have been numerous child-abuse related deaths in the last five years, from every race. Pretty much the only ones to ever get news time were those involving Maori.

Apart from reinforcing a negative racial stereotype, your attitude is precisely the kind of attitude that allows abuse to continue, since you probably wouldn't recognise its presence in other groups.

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