Should I join the Pirate Party of New Zealand?

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#81696 16-Apr-2011 16:54

I was reading the constitution of pirate party at pirateparty.org.nz and they seem to be against the copyright infringement law but they are also for the right to privacy. Does this mean they are for or against google street view taking photos of people's faces?

Their websites says it has 55 members so the reason I want to join is the help them get to 500 to become an official registered party in New Zealand and repeal the copyright infringement law.

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#459455 16-Apr-2011 17:10

Is there a theftparty.org.nz that we can join also?

After all, there are two reasons against the Infringement Bill. One, is the terms, and manner of passing. Two, is the issue for those who wish to steal copyright material.

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#459485 16-Apr-2011 18:04

The Greens have more hope at changing the copyright law.

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#459730 17-Apr-2011 15:08

I don't think we have an official position on google streetview, although personally I think it's a pretty cool feature and would not want to see it go away. I would not be opposed to some privacy laws to reasonably help those people that don't want to be seen on it, though, or to make sure that faces are blurred, etc.

The privacy laws that we're referring to would be more about protecting people from unreasonable intrusion by the government, ala raids, searches, and access to your data from 3rd parties without a proper warrant, etc.

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#459734 17-Apr-2011 15:11

hellonearthisman: The Greens have more hope at changing the copyright law.

Yes, but the greens won't. In fact the greens would have voted for the law, even under urgency if it had not been for the disconnection clause. There are many things wrong with that law in addition to that connection clause.

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#459756 17-Apr-2011 15:41

Is this a joke?

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#459769 17-Apr-2011 16:18

Do they drink Rum and sing sea shanties, if so I am in. Arrr.

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#459779 17-Apr-2011 16:37

kiwitrc: Do they drink Rum and sing sea shanties, if so I am in. Arrr.

You can if you want: http://www.pirateparty.org.nz

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#459921 18-Apr-2011 00:28

Looks to me like urgency was used to get it out of the way before the election. Before it could became a decisive vote issue for some demographics, but still minor for most people. The urgency is also likely related to a free trade agreement in progress at present. The details of copyright and free trade are not issues the major parties want to discuss in public.

The pirate party has coherent talking points on patent and copyright reach and length, but IMHO the privacy position needs to directly relate to copyright to be as coherent and effective.

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#460025 18-Apr-2011 11:11

kiwitrc: Do they drink Rum and sing sea shanties, if so I am in. Arrr.

If that's the case, count me in too! Arrr

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#460034 18-Apr-2011 11:26

pajamian: The privacy laws that we're referring to would be more about protecting people from unreasonable intrusion by the government, ala raids, searches, and access to your data from 3rd parties without a proper warrant, etc.

Good points. Most people are thinking of "privacy laws" as in their right of breaching copyright laws, which seems they completely disregard.

People are confusing the issues here. They don't understand copyright, but also don't understand the reason why some people were against the infringiment bill was because of how it was passed and the assumption of guilty by default. Nothing to do with some imaginary right to dowload copyright material.

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#460807 20-Apr-2011 09:31

Any party that trys to form for a single issue, and that has no comprehensive manifesto is a joke.

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#460877 20-Apr-2011 11:29

South45: Any party that trys to form for a single issue, and that has no comprehensive manifesto is a joke.

The original Swedish Pirate Party begs to differ:

The Pirate Party received 7.13% of the total Swedish votes in the 2009 European Parliament elections, which was originally to result in one seat in the European parliament, but became two when the Lisbon Treaty was ratified.[6][7] Christian Engström became the first MEP for the party, and Amelia Andersdotter took the second seat after the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty on December 1, 2009.

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_(Sweden)

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#460931 20-Apr-2011 13:50

Piracy: A path to innovation? | Connected Creativity 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOX6XoMRwr8

Matt Mason, Author of "The Pirate's Dilemma"
http://thepiratesdilemma.com/

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#460944 20-Apr-2011 14:17

South45: Any party that trys to form for a single issue, and that has no comprehensive manifesto is a joke.

Or a front person. What a waste of time and money. I hope there are not 500 idiots out there who would join this party. It's just going to cost the country money.

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#461011 20-Apr-2011 17:19

The pirate party has coherent talking points on patent and copyright reach and length, but IMHO the privacy position needs to directly relate to copyright to be as coherent and effective.

Interesting that you should mention that. On the one hand we are being attacked for being a "single issue" party, and on the other hand we are attacked because we have other issues that don't necessarily tie into that "single issue" that everyone seems to think we are all about. The fact is that the Pirate Party is about so much more than just getting free stuff.

As a party we represent a newer generation of people who have grown up in the modern digital age. We are used to being able to share and talk freely online with our peers in ways that our parents simply do not understand. To be told that we cannot share online is like stripping away freedoms that we have had, have experienced, and have grown to accept as being the norm. Imagine for a moment being told that you cannot speak to, interact with, or talk with your neighbor or your best friend across town without paying a licensing fee to some big industry. This is what the digital generation feels when told that we cannot share our likes, interests or culture with our peers.

So now here comes big content telling us that not only are we not allowed to share what identifies us but to do so will label us as "pirates", criminals, basically scum of the earth. And not only that, in order to stop us they will go to our legislators and pass draconian laws that infringe on our civil liberties, so we no longer have the right to defend ourselves in a court of law, be presumed innocent until proven guilty (of an offense that in our view should not even be illegal to begin with), and we are subject to have our private belongings (files emails, browsing history, etc) searched without obtaining a warrant in a proper court of law.

This law that was recently passed under urgency has been passed in order for New Zealand to begin to come into compliance with a new trade agreement with the US known as the "Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement" (TPPA). Go look this up on google, it is ACTA on steroids. So now our sovereignty as a nation is being threatened by big content industries from overseas as well.

This is the core of what we stand for, and if it is a single issue, then it is certainly an issue worth fighting for, but we stand for more than just this. I won't elaborate here, but you can read our policy page to find out:
http://pirateparty.org.nz/wiki/Core_Policy

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