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Topic # 82210 24-Apr-2011 15:13
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Update on Ken Ring if anybody is interested

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10721217

Very interesting read if what is alleged in the article is true. I don't think predicting an earthquake without any scientific evidence is the same as yelling fire in the crowded theatre. 

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  Reply # 461990 24-Apr-2011 17:30
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bnapi: I don't think predicting an earthquake without any scientific evidence is the same as yelling fire in the crowded theatre. 

Tell that to all the people who left the Christchurch area based on his "prediction". He's caused problems for lots of people based on a speculative theory which has been throughly debunked. His ability to even predict weather based on his babble has, quite rightly, been called into question.

I think he's a charlatan and deserving of the scorn that's been heaped on him, and don't see any reason why he shouldn't be prosecuted for what he does, but death threats are just plain stupid.

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  Reply # 462015 24-Apr-2011 20:05
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Dratsab:
I think he's a charlatan and deserving of the scorn that's been heaped on him, and don't see any reason why he shouldn't be prosecuted for what he does, but death threats are just plain stupid.


if you're going to prosecute him, then you'll have to prosecute every religious organisation, all the tarot card readers, all the astrologists....

two choices: believe him, or not.  end of story. move along.




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  Reply # 462094 25-Apr-2011 10:21
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Yeah, what's to believe? He's been proven to be wrong and full of it.
Personally I think he is lapping up the publicity.

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  Reply # 462100 25-Apr-2011 10:35
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Whether he was right or wrong in his predictions his credibility went out the door completely when he started removing content from his website to back out of his predictions.

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Reply # 462105 25-Apr-2011 11:22
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Regs: if you're going to prosecute him, then you'll have to prosecute every religious organisation, all the tarot card readers, all the astrologists...

Damn straight - line 'em all up against a wall... 

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  Reply # 462111 25-Apr-2011 11:56
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latest update on Ken Ring:

Still a total nutbar.


That is all.

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  Reply # 462119 25-Apr-2011 12:28
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Reality is there will always be folk who want to believe the snake-oil salesman....

When you're dealing with things that aren't easily explainable in non scientific terms, and are quantified in seemingly non nonsensical ways it's easy to see why folk flock to a simplistic holistic option.

For some it's easiest to put your faith in simply (il)logical visual explanations like the 'water calming effects of moonlight' (who goes to see the moons reflection on the sea in bad weather?). If we can see even a slim correlation we may just find it palatable... some will take the bait.

And some is all you need
....along with a non quantifiable amount of oily snakes

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  Reply # 462363 26-Apr-2011 09:53
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sbiddle: Whether he was right or wrong in his predictions his credibility went out the door completely when he started removing content from his website to back out of his predictions.


That pretty much sums it up to how 'accurate' his predictions are (not accurate)...

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  Reply # 462393 26-Apr-2011 10:54
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Also from the article... "Ring said he has shunned all interview requests since then and has sought medical help for stress after the death threats and increased media attention."

Doesn't he know that the Moon also causes many types of madness, and therefore public reaction and his stress is entirely predictable, and will go away when those pesky Moon and planets un-align themselves?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=lunacy-and-the-full-moon

;-)

While we're on the job, can we also please prosecute (or at least persecute) all those snake oil salespeople selling their wares on TV & radio that get away with making totally bogus scientific claims. One the particularly winds me up in NatureBee which claims...

"By simply taking two golden NatureBee capsules a day as a supplement to your normal diet, you can be assured of getting full balanced nutrition."

My normal diet might consist predominantly of potato chips & coke, in which case I'd argue that their statement is patently WRONG, misleading and potentially dangerous.

It ought not to be allowed!




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  Reply # 462400 26-Apr-2011 11:24
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the biomag guys are just as bad. Absolute BS they are selling.

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  Reply # 462403 26-Apr-2011 11:35
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NonprayingMantis: the biomag guys are just as bad. Absolute BS they are selling.


The magnetic fields from biomags could be causing the earthquakes?

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  Reply # 462673 26-Apr-2011 18:18
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I just dont get how ken was making his money from making these predictions?




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  Reply # 462681 26-Apr-2011 18:25
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He was selling them in a book

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  Reply # 462691 26-Apr-2011 18:42
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If Ken had a Bio-Mag he'd be stress free (apparently)

I really can't see any reason why he wouldn't believe their claims....... (unless of course he goes bobbing for snakes at the same barrel they use)

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  Reply # 462809 26-Apr-2011 23:17
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People without knowledge of the methods and philosophy of science cannot tell the difference between science and pseudoscience.

Teaching scientific fact is not the same as teaching scientific method and philosophy of science.

In any case, it does not help that there are very few hard science programs on NZ TV, and therefore virtually no well known and trusted NZ popular scientific commentators.

Despite what ardent atheists and theists would like to believe, science is more agnostic than atheistic and need not conflict with religious beliefs.

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