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Topic # 87982 12-Aug-2011 09:49
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It strikes me with the recent furore over the all blacks jersey pricing, that the government needs to step in and protect Adidas's business model. Adidas need to make sure that they don't make the jersey available here until atleast a month after the world cup. Jerseys purchased from overseas need to be manufactured in such a way that they either cannot be worn here or cannot be shipped here. Maybe we can get this added to the Skynet law...





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  Reply # 505352 12-Aug-2011 09:52
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Nah.... They've set themselves up nicely to be the fall guy if we fail to win 'The Rugby World Cup'.

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  Reply # 505379 12-Aug-2011 10:47
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  Reply # 505388 12-Aug-2011 10:59
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Has anyone prooved that the WHOLESALE price is cheaper overseas? If not then I cant see how Adidas are swindling anyone. If local retailers require a large markup to cover their costs then thats their problem, not Adidas'

Should we force all retailers in NZ to match the cheapest price you can find online? Thats basically what people are asking Adidas to do.

Funny how retailers were able to drop the price by $70 all of a sudden. When those retailers now say that they are selling the jersey at a loss what to they really mean by that, that they paid Adidas more then $120 for it or that that is the price they need to charge to cover all of there associated costs - buildings, electricity, staff etc, all things an online retailer doesnt have to cover.

There is a lot of dis-information about this topic and everyone is pointing the finger at Adidas when to me it just looks like a case of internet vs bricks and morter.




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  Reply # 505392 12-Aug-2011 11:07
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ScottStevensNZ: It strikes me with the recent furore over the all blacks jersey pricing, that the government needs to step in and protect Adidas's business model. Adidas need to make sure that they don't make the jersey available here until atleast a month after the world cup. Jerseys purchased from overseas need to be manufactured in such a way that they either cannot be worn here or cannot be shipped here. Maybe we can get this added to the Skynet law...



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  Reply # 505393 12-Aug-2011 11:12
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geekiegeek: Has anyone prooved that the WHOLESALE price is cheaper overseas? If not then I cant see how Adidas are swindling anyone. If local retailers require a large markup to cover their costs then thats their problem, not Adidas'

Should we force all retailers in NZ to match the cheapest price you can find online? Thats basically what people are asking Adidas to do.

Funny how retailers were able to drop the price by $70 all of a sudden. When those retailers now say that they are selling the jersey at a loss what to they really mean by that, that they paid Adidas more then $120 for it or that that is the price they need to charge to cover all of there associated costs - buildings, electricity, staff etc, all things an online retailer doesnt have to cover.

There is a lot of dis-information about this topic and everyone is pointing the finger at Adidas when to me it just looks like a case of internet vs bricks and morter.


You make a very good point and more sense that the two Adidas reps they fronted for Campbell live the other night. Those two chaps didn't help their cause when they hinted that there was greater demand in the US for the All Black jersey.

What they should have said is that because they purchase large quantities of Adidas merchandise, they get an overall healthy discount which in turn allows then to sell them online for less.

I don't see how the jersey is any different to any other item, its a 'want' and not a 'need'. If people want it that badly then they can procure that in the manner they wish, online overseas or locally, there is a choice.
 

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  Reply # 505428 12-Aug-2011 12:02
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geekiegeek: Has anyone prooved that the WHOLESALE price is cheaper overseas? If not then I cant see how Adidas are swindling anyone. If local retailers require a large markup to cover their costs then thats their problem, not Adidas'

Should we force all retailers in NZ to match the cheapest price you can find online? Thats basically what people are asking Adidas to do.

Funny how retailers were able to drop the price by $70 all of a sudden. When those retailers now say that they are selling the jersey at a loss what to they really mean by that, that they paid Adidas more then $120 for it or that that is the price they need to charge to cover all of there associated costs - buildings, electricity, staff etc, all things an online retailer doesnt have to cover.

There is a lot of dis-information about this topic and everyone is pointing the finger at Adidas when to me it just looks like a case of internet vs bricks and morter.


You make a very good point and more sense that the two Adidas reps they fronted for Campbell live the other night. Those two chaps didn't help their cause when they hinted that there was greater demand in the US for the All Black jersey.

What they should have said is that because they purchase large quantities of Adidas merchandise, they get an overall healthy discount which in turn allows then to sell them online for less.

I don't see how the jersey is any different to any other item, its a 'want' and not a 'need'. If people want it that badly then they can procure that in the manner they wish, online overseas or locally, there is a choice.
 


That makes about as much sense as their ‘exchange rates’ argument.  i.e. it’s a load of hogwash.

 

 

There is not a chance in hell that theUSAis a bigger market for ABs jerseys than NZ. And that is at normal times.  During the RWC you can also add the 90k odd tourists coming in who will want to buy a jersey as a memento.

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  Reply # 505441 12-Aug-2011 12:19
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geekiegeek: Has anyone prooved that the WHOLESALE price is cheaper overseas? If not then I cant see how Adidas are swindling anyone. If local retailers require a large markup to cover their costs then thats their problem, not Adidas'



If it was the local retail markup causing the problem do you think Adidas would be taking all the abuse without saying so?



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  Reply # 505443 12-Aug-2011 12:20
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geekiegeek: Funny how retailers were able to drop the price by $70 all of a sudden. When those retailers now say that they are selling the jersey at a loss what to they really mean by that, that they paid Adidas more then $120 for it or that that is the price they need to charge to cover all of there associated costs - buildings, electricity, staff etc, all things an online retailer doesnt have to cover.


Online retailers still need buildings, electricity, and staff. The building can be a warehouse somewhere, and they also need a decent IT system so people can make the orders. They usually try to make it up in volume.




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  Reply # 505520 12-Aug-2011 14:00
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To people who say that there is not a bigger market in the US for all blacks shirts, I think you need to understand that Adidas sells more team shirts then just the all blacks one. So it is very possible that a US store would have a much larger turnover of Adidas branded team shirts then a NZ retailer would - this would in turn give the US operator a better price when purchasing any shirt from Adidas.




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  Reply # 505538 12-Aug-2011 14:14
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geekiegeek: Has anyone prooved that the WHOLESALE price is cheaper overseas?


I believe the initial furor was that the retail price overseas (US$79) was cheaper than the wholesale price here, which I am lead to believe is around $105+GST.

But I believe you're right - the retailers need to be in the firing line as much as addidas if you want to complain. As noted the retailers could suddenly drop their price to $179, and some guys are actually "doing the right thing" and selling it at cost. Note that I don't believe selling it at cost is the right thing though.

NZer's by and large have come to accept that the cost of purchasing from bricks and mortar stores here is more expensive, but everyone so often someone throws their toys out of the cot and we all jump on the bandwagon. The kiwi should not be our national emplem - it should be the animal we have in abundance, sheep.

The only thing seperating us from rioting like our British breatern is apathy!

And to the OP, I understand your sarcasm, but the last thing this country (mostly) needs is more "support" from the goverment. What we do all need is to go to bunnings and buy a bag of cement! Tongue out


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  Reply # 505562 12-Aug-2011 14:39
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geekiegeek: Has anyone prooved that the WHOLESALE price is cheaper overseas?


I believe the initial furor was?that the retail price overseas (US$79) was cheaper than the wholesale price here, which I am lead to believe is around $105+GST.

But I believe you're right - the retailers?need to be in the firing line as?much as addidas if you want to complain. As noted the retailers could suddenly drop their price to $179, and some guys are actually?"doing the right thing" and selling it at cost. Note that I don't believe selling it at?cost is the right thing though.

NZer's by and large have come to accept that the cost of purchasing from bricks and mortar stores here is more expensive, but everyone so often someone throws their toys out of the cot and we all jump on the bandwagon. The kiwi should not be our national emplem - it should be the animal we have in abundance, sheep.

The only thing seperating us from rioting like our British breatern is apathy!

And to the OP, I understand your sarcasm, but the last thing this country (mostly)?needs is more "support" from the goverment. What we do all need is to go to bunnings and buy a bag of cement! Tongue out



They haven't done themselves any favours, by the poor way they have handled it, and the guys that fronted weren't the warmest people. But I do actually agree with Adidas, as there agreement is actually between themselves and the retailer. It is up to the retailer to lower to lower their prices, if they aren't selling them due to cheaper overseas websites. If the wholesale price is higher than what people can get them for retail overseas, then there is nothing stopping the retailers either not selling them, or importing them from an overseass supplier, and not buying them from the NZ wholesaler, as NZ does allow parallel imports don't they?.

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  Reply # 505597 12-Aug-2011 15:23
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The same is true for a lot of sports gear in New Zealand.

Take running shoes (and sports shoes in general) for example. Go to an online shop like http://www.eastbay.com and check the price of some popular running shoes, many you will find at under USD $100, and some specials under USD $80, then try and find those same shoes in New Zealand.

If you are lucky you might find them at less than twice the price.
Even allowing for shipping and GST, there is a big difference.




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  Reply # 505725 12-Aug-2011 19:54
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alexx: The same is true for a lot of sports gear in New Zealand.

Take running shoes (and sports shoes in general) for example. Go to an online shop like http://www.eastbay.com and check the price of some popular running shoes, many you will find at under USD $100, and some specials under USD $80, then try and find those same shoes in New Zealand.

If you are lucky you might find them at less than twice the price.
Even allowing for shipping and GST, there is a big difference.

But do they ship to NZ, if if so what is the shipping? Shoes I buy local, as you can take them back if you have a problem with size, or if they break prematurely

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  Reply # 505761 12-Aug-2011 21:13
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alexx: The same is true for a lot of sports gear in New Zealand.

Take running shoes (and sports shoes in general) for example. Go to an online shop like http://www.eastbay.com and check the price of some popular running shoes, many you will find at under USD $100, and some specials under USD $80, then try and find those same shoes in New Zealand.

If you are lucky you might find them at less than twice the price.
Even allowing for shipping and GST, there is a big difference.

But do they ship to NZ, if if so what is the shipping? Shoes I buy local, as you can take them back if you have a problem with size, or if they break prematurely


If they don't ship to NZ on some items, then that is where a service like BuyUSA.co.nz  or Shipbuktu comes in (note: I'm not recommending either although a friend has used the former with no complaints), which provides a USA postal address.

I've never had a running shoe actually break on me and I keep a track of mileage to avoid doing too much running on them after about 800km or so. No breakage with shoes with more than 1000km running. I guess the shop wouldn't take back a shoe with that much mileage anyway.

If you buy the same type and size as last time then you shouldn't have problems with size and on the few times you get it wrong, you've saved enough money on the last few orders to order again. Sell the old ones on trademe. Just don't be one of those people that try them on in the local shop and then order on-line. That's not fair on the retailer that takes time to help you select the shoes, but if you already know what you want, why pay for an expensive shop and a big mark up?

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  Reply # 507131 16-Aug-2011 09:22
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mattwnz:
But do they ship to NZ, if if so what is the shipping? Shoes I buy local, as you can take them back if you have a problem with size, or if they break prematurely


Unless it's Nike.  I've discovered that the retailer will just get aggro and tell you that isn't going to happen if you take back prematurely broken Nike shoes. Won't be buying that brand again (and sure as hell not from Foot Locker - worst service EVER).

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