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#864840 24-Jul-2013 09:12

tgzerozone:
cisconz: Just cut them all and connect your modem direct to the lead in cable. You will need a few more tools to do taht though, where are you located?

Located in Torbay Cisconz

Get coffeebaron to come and sort it for you.

Hmmmm

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#864843 24-Jul-2013 09:22

BTW, just remember. White cable says "HomeLan Telecom 2 pair" or something along those lines. Seems (from other posts) that the guys are right, the black one must be the line-in, and then white one must be the one (amongst several others, going into the house).

Sigh.

So it is as such then as I can see.

1. Black wire coming in, that should be in demarcation point, stops short of demarcation point.
2. Grey wire connected to black wire that seems to be going upstairs to my upstairs jack I am using
3. White wire connected to black wire, that seems to go to my daughters room downstairs.
4. Grey wire connected to grey wire in point 2 above, that seems to be going to my kitchen, where a further two wires split that seems to be going upstairs to my bedroom, and somewhere I dunno.
5. Another white wire connected to grey wire in point 4 that seems to be going to my son's room downstairs.
6. Another white wire connected to what seems to be grey wire in point 4 that goes to my downstairs lounge (Think this one might be the homelan adsl line).

Points that was clipped by me:

5 and 6

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#864845 24-Jul-2013 09:23

cisconz:
tgzerozone:
cisconz: Just cut them all and connect your modem direct to the lead in cable. You will need a few more tools to do taht though, where are you located?

Located in Torbay Cisconz

Get coffeebaron to come and sort it for you.

Might have to wait till payday, what does he charge?

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#864846 24-Jul-2013 09:25

looks like your wiring is somewhat daisy chained.
You say your not using any filters (plug in or master)... how is your landline phone plugged in then?

Like others around here say get in 'the barron'.

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#864847 24-Jul-2013 09:25

tgzerozone:
cisconz:
tgzerozone:
cisconz: Just cut them all and connect your modem direct to the lead in cable. You will need a few more tools to do taht though, where are you located?

Located in Torbay Cisconz

Get coffeebaron to come and sort it for you.

Might have to wait till payday, what does he charge?

$150 - well worth it.

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#864849 24-Jul-2013 09:34

Gooseybhai: looks like your wiring is somewhat daisy chained.
You say your not using any filters (plug in or master)... how is your landline phone plugged in then?

Like others around here say get in 'the barron'.

Hi,

No landline phone, I have the genius. Phone connects wirelessly to router. NAked DSL.

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#864850 24-Jul-2013 09:36

Just a question. How would I properly disconnect cables. I removed the cap of the gelcap thing that contains the wires, but there is still a little metal thing over the wires. Reason why I just clipped them off.

How would I go about treating noise on the ones I clipped off? Bit of silicon on the tips maybe? Would that work?

Might give the coffee guy ago after orcon has investigated and they point the finger at my home wiring again.

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#864852 24-Jul-2013 09:40

tgzerozone: Just a question. How would I properly disconnect cables. I removed the cap of the gelcap thing that contains the wires, but there is still a little metal thing over the wires. Reason why I just clipped them off.

How would I go about treating noise on the ones I clipped off? Bit of silicon on the tips maybe? Would that work?

Might give the coffee guy ago after orcon has investigated and they point the finger at my home wiring again.

So are you saying they have already informed you that its your home wiring?
I dont know too much about Orcon plans, but do they have the wiring and maint option that other major telecos offer?

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#864854 24-Jul-2013 09:49

So are you saying they have already informed you that its your home wiring?
I dont know too much about Orcon plans, but do they have the wiring and maint option that other major telecos offer?

Nope, they have not already informed me about this. But I am sort of anticipating the answer would be. Isn't this the answer you get 90 % of the time. I always get that one :

1. Your router (1 year old genius router)
2. Your indoor wiring

I would imagine they wouldn't be to keen on point nr one, as it is a rather newish router supplied by them.

On that note, what firmware version are these routers at? Mine seems to be May 2012 firmware. Seems very long ago. Can't find new firmware for it anywhere.

EDIT: Asked about line maintenance, it doesn't seem to be included.

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#864856 24-Jul-2013 09:55

Modem Stats?

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#864876 24-Jul-2013 10:14

KiwiNZ: Modem Stats?

Ahhh, sorry KIWINZ. I am not currently home but will check them out. Are there any specific stats you are interested in? I do recall a few stats.

Down sync: 5100kbps
Up sync: 900kbps
Down Attnuation: 34-40 (can't remember exactly) Was mid/late 30's.
Up attenuation: can't remember

Distance from exchange, measured as you would drive with a car (assuming they would lay cables at shorter distance than what the roads go): 1700 meters

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#864877 24-Jul-2013 10:15

tgzerozone: BTW, just remember. White cable says "HomeLan Telecom 2 pair" or something along those lines. Seems (from other posts) that the guys are right, the black one must be the line-in, and then white one must be the one (amongst several others, going into the house).

Sigh.

So it is as such then as I can see.

1. Black wire coming in, that should be in demarcation point, stops short of demarcation point.
2. Grey wire connected to black wire that seems to be going upstairs to my upstairs jack I am using
3. White wire connected to black wire, that seems to go to my daughters room downstairs.
4. Grey wire connected to grey wire in point 2 above, that seems to be going to my kitchen, where a further two wires split that seems to be going upstairs to my bedroom, and somewhere I dunno.
5. Another white wire connected to grey wire in point 4 that seems to be going to my son's room downstairs.
6. Another white wire connected to what seems to be grey wire in point 4 that goes to my downstairs lounge (Think this one might be the homelan adsl line).

Points that was clipped by me:

5 and 6

The only way to check what goes where correctly is putting a tone on the cables etc. It is common for duplex to share the same demark, so that "alien" cable may just be the neighbours passing through.
As others advise, flick me a PM / Email if you want me to come and sort for you.

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#864880 24-Jul-2013 10:20

tgzerozone:
KiwiNZ: Modem Stats?

Ahhh, sorry KIWINZ. I am not currently home but will check them out. Are there any specific stats you are interested in? I do recall a few stats.

Down sync: 5100kbps
Up sync: 900kbps
Down Attnuation: 34-40 (can't remember exactly) Was mid/late 30's.
Up attenuation: can't remember

Distance from exchange, measured as you would drive with a car (assuming they would lay cables at shorter distance than what the roads go): 1700 meters

The attenuation results in the range 30db to 40db is very good.
The signal to noise ratio would be useful to see, it would seem that the Orcon service is not causing the issue to the extent your D/L rate would suggest. I would concur with Orcon that the issue would lay
with your Network and or Modem. As a matter of interest the Wan line to your modem is it long or short? does it have a lot of kinks in it ?

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#864882 24-Jul-2013 10:21

coffeebaron:
The only way to check what goes where correctly is putting a tone on the cables etc. It is common for duplex to share the same demark, so that "alien" cable may just be the neighbours passing through.
As others advise, flick me a PM / Email if you want me to come and sort for you.

Cheers
Fraser

Thanks CoffeeBaron. I will take you up on that once I get Orcon to do their investigation. If they are able to sort it out, I would be a little unsettled having had to fork out $150 nd the problem was on their side all the time.

Seeing that you know alot of these things, can I maybe just check a few things with you?

1. The grey telecom pillar in front of my house, does this contain a circuit with a wire for each house theoretically?
2. I get the best connection upstairs in my bedroom, on a grey wire. From my investigation, the first wire splitting off the black wire is a grey wire. Probably the upstairs one right?
3. How can I make sure the cables I clipped doesn't pick up noise, can I put a bit of silicone on the ends?

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#864887 24-Jul-2013 10:33

KiwiNZ:

The attenuation results in the range 30db to 40db is very good.
The signal to noise ratio would be useful to see, it would seem that the Orcon service is not causing the issue to the extent your D/L rate would suggest. I would concur with Orcon that the issue would lay
with your Network and or Modem. As a matter of interest the Wan line to your modem is it long or short? does it have a lot of kinks in it ?

Hi KiwiNZ,

I'm not sure I agree an attnuation of late 30's is good, if you want more than 7 mbs down on adsl2 It should be mid 20's on a line length of 1.7 km.
Signal to noise I'll get tonight. I'm also thinking it is the line, and not orcon.

The wan line to my modem? The black telecom cable? ( I would estimate from the black cable connecting to the grey cable, maybe 20 meters to my jack where modem is connected. Not sure how long the black cable would be, but from the road, probably 30-40 meters) or are you meaning the LAN line from my modem to my phone jack (10 meters)?

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