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#2222092 22-Apr-2019 12:27

@sbiddle agreed, I get the impression she wanted everything underground and all free, then started jumping up and down when she can see something. I wonder if she lost it when she had a Sky dish installed? Because that goes on the outside of the house too, then you have this great big dish to look at...

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#2222135 22-Apr-2019 12:39

sparkz25:

Sounds abit rough saying if you didnt have any formed bends that you would do that.

wouldn't it be easier to make a bell end? or use couplings?

It is pure lazyness not using the correct part to form a bend from flexi.

The only reason that the usual way for fiber to be installed in the manner of nailing it to the fence is because that is what has been told to the general consumer and non are the wiser.

It works out to be cheaper for chorus to do it that way so more profit in their back pocket. And thats all chorus is after profit!

Why muck around making bell ends? Again, it's getting on a high horse just for the sake of being the guy "doing it properly". There is NO benefit to having a bell end compared with sliding the flexi up the conduit. The cable is still protected all the way through, and with good saddling, it's just as vandal proof as using the formed bends or flexi couplers.

And again, you have to look at how a usual install is done. Yes Chorus are only in it for profit, so when an installer uses conduit we should be pleased, not nit picking on the types of bends used. If this was a quoted job at standard commercial rates, then sure, go and get the correct bits for the job (and I absolutely would, and have done that, when time isn't the issue). But we all know these installers are severely under paid and there isn't enough money in the codes being paid to do it "absolutely properly" all the time.

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#2222148 22-Apr-2019 13:03

quickymart:
@sbiddle agreed, I get the impression she wanted everything underground and all free, then started jumping up and down when she can see something. I wonder if she lost it when she had a Sky dish installed? Because that goes on the outside of the house too, then you have this great big dish to look at...

This ones fairly tidy, and out of the way, aesthetically pleasing ;-)

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#2226028 27-Apr-2019 08:46

cyril7: If you must use flexi, which I prefer to minimise, then please paint it, just basic exterior acrylic, as flexi does not contain the magic ingredient to provide any uv protection and after a very short few years it breaks down to nothing. Paint will mitigate this, indefinitely if you re paint every few years.

Just so you know there absolutely are UV rated flexible conduit products available

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#2226033 27-Apr-2019 09:26

Hi that's good to know, when I enquired 4-5 years ago for a significant project (snup) this was not the case.

Cyril

Edit, after reading your post I checked two main suppliers in NZ and believe (but could br wrong) that nothing has changed, flexi conduit has always stated its uv resistant, however it is not the same resilience of solid as the magic ingredient reduces the flexibility. The product brouchers from two major vendors appears the same as it did 5 years ago, and at that time I interacted with both of them and they confirmed that whilst stated as uv resilient it will still break down in a few years where as solid will not, but painting it will significantly help.

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#2226157 27-Apr-2019 10:15

cyril7: Hi that's good to know, when I enquired 4-5 years ago for a significant project (snup) this was not the case.

Cyril

Edit, after reading your post I checked two main suppliers in NZ and believe (but could br wrong) that nothing has changed, flexi conduit has always stated its uv resistant, however it is not the same resilience of solid as the magic ingredient reduces the flexibility. The product brouchers from two major vendors appears the same as it did 5 years ago, and at that time I interacted with both of them and they confirmed that whilst stated as uv resilient it will still break down in a few years where as solid will not, but painting it will significantly help.

Cheers
Cyril

Marley have one called Solar HD flexi conduit which was released maybe 2 years ago at the most, but there have always been two variants before that -- one known as polyprop with zero uv protection and another standard which did still have some.

The Solar HD version is more rigid to other versions

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#2226158 27-Apr-2019 10:17

Thanks for the clarification will check it out, I guess a question is, what are chorus contractors using, and might we expect a flood of degraded installs in a few short years.
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#2226160 27-Apr-2019 10:24

UV rated is about 5x the price of regular flex.

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#2226189 27-Apr-2019 11:40

I have seen some black rubbery flexi conduit used for outdoor cable runs. I'm guessing it could be UV resistant.

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#2226193 27-Apr-2019 11:51

cyril7: Thanks for the clarification will check it out, I guess a question is, what are chorus contractors using, and might we expect a flood of degraded installs in a few short years.
Cyril

Hence my reasoning of installing the infrastructure to a reasonable standard rather than slapping it together and hoping for the best (as they all do).

Because at the rate they are going there will be a flood of degraded installs as you have just mentioned that will need to repaired.

And most likely this will be at the owner's cost as chorus wouldn't want to foot the bill for something they have completed.

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