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# 249007 19-Apr-2019 11:06
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So we are on holiday at the moment and notice a box in the garden from the Deck.

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538997893466685481/568573236519108618/20190419_101938.jpg

 

So naturally I went and had a closer look, and found some not so surprising results.

 

It looks like they still dont know how to mechanically protect their own microducts.

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538997893466685481/568573451217141761/no_idea_how_to_conduit.jpg

 

or bury the microduct at a depth deeper than 20mm

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441047019948343306/568283613934780417/20190418_155046.jpg

 

a bit of a scratch with my shoe reveals 

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441047019948343306/568283614710595585/20190418_155233.jpg

 

I turn around to look at the ETP and out of the corner of my eye i see this.

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441047019948343306/568283612886073364/20190418_155245.jpg

 

and yeah thats def not buried deep enough.

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441047019948343306/568283613335126051/20190418_155252.jpg

 

But doesnt @Chorusnz say this is a typical install? and oh but wait its RUGGEDISED MICRODUCT

 

Found the ETP a short distance from the Burried Microducts.

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538997893466685481/568568335260844032/20190418_155010.jpg

 

Looks like there is some new Flexible bend that Marley have released that is a 25-20-25 flexi bend.

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538997893466685481/568568447261474817/20190418_155031.jpg

 

They do seem quite popular, i must find the part number for these.

 

It also looks like there is another new product, A streamline Cobra clamp.

 

I wonder where the other ETP goes as that has a really long flexi end installed on it.

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538997893466685481/568570479976120342/20190418_155004.jpg

 

That bend looks a bit sharp

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538997893466685481/568570479976120342/20190418_155004.jpg

 

and heres another one of those Flexi bends with silicone in the end? self sealing? Interesting.

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538997893466685481/568570942674960417/20190418_154954.jpg

 

 

 

Yet another install by @Chorusnz who are meant to be building a network that is meant to last.

 

All images are Discord links because Geekzone wont upload any pics for some reason


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  # 2221887 21-Apr-2019 22:05
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one word, lazy (that of the installer)




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  # 2221986 22-Apr-2019 08:11
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darkasdes2:

 

one word, lazy (that of the installer)

 

 

your dead right, its only going to be a matter of time before the lawnmower hits the exposed microduct


 
 
 
 


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I dont see the issue using flexi for bends. It's really quite standard. The formed bends making running cable hard, so just slide some flexi over the top and saddle it down.

At least it's protected unlike 90% of the external fibre runs.

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  # 2222017 22-Apr-2019 09:45
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If you must use flexi, which I prefer to minimise, then please paint it, just basic exterior acrylic, as flexi does not contain the magic ingredient to provide any uv protection and after a very short few years it breaks down to nothing. Paint will mitigate this, indefinitely if you re paint every few years.

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quickymart:

 

Somewhat related:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112144040/fibre-install-nightmare-with-chorus

 

 

No sorry, I'm on Chorus side with that one.

 

A neat tidy job. perhaps the home owner could fix that hideous patch job at the side of their wall instead of whining how ugly the cable is.

 

That is uglier.




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  # 2222021 22-Apr-2019 09:55
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chevrolux: I dont see the issue using flexi for bends. It's really quite standard. The formed bends making running cable hard, so just slide some flexi over the top and saddle it down.

At least it's protected unlike 90% of the external fibre runs.

 

There is a proper way of installing flexible conduit.

 

The photos clearly show pure laziness in installing the flexible conduit.

 

You just simply jam some 20mm flexi in to a 25mm conduit do you?


 
 
 
 




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pctek:

 

quickymart:

 

Somewhat related:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112144040/fibre-install-nightmare-with-chorus

 

 

No sorry, I'm on Chorus side with that one.

 

A neat tidy job. perhaps the home owner could fix that hideous patch job at the side of their wall instead of whining how ugly the cable is.

 

That is uglier.

 

 

looks to me as some monkeys installed that conduit as there is a huge bend in the horizontal piece and only 2 saddles in this pic over a 2m span

 

Click to see full size


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pctek:

 

quickymart:

 

Somewhat related:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112144040/fibre-install-nightmare-with-chorus

 

 

No sorry, I'm on Chorus side with that one.

 

A neat tidy job. perhaps the home owner could fix that hideous patch job at the side of their wall instead of whining how ugly the cable is.

 

That is uglier.

 

 

 

 

Agreed - If Chorus want to come around home and do that any time soon, I'd be baking scones and brewing smoko for them until the job was done!


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  # 2222057 22-Apr-2019 11:12
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sparkz25:

 

pctek:

 

quickymart:

 

Somewhat related:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112144040/fibre-install-nightmare-with-chorus

 

 

No sorry, I'm on Chorus side with that one.

 

A neat tidy job. perhaps the home owner could fix that hideous patch job at the side of their wall instead of whining how ugly the cable is.

 

That is uglier.

 

 

looks to me as some monkeys installed that conduit as there is a huge bend in the horizontal piece and only 2 saddles in this pic over a 2m span

 

Click to see full size

 

 

I'm rather lost as to the actual nature of their issue. Sure they may not like it, but they're also unwilling to fund an underground install. Quite simply, there is no issue.

 

This install is totally within spec and identical to literally tens of thousands of copper, UFB and HFC installs right the across the country. 

 

 

 

 




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  # 2222059 22-Apr-2019 11:14
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sbiddle:

 

sparkz25:

 

pctek:

 

quickymart:

 

Somewhat related:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112144040/fibre-install-nightmare-with-chorus

 

 

No sorry, I'm on Chorus side with that one.

 

A neat tidy job. perhaps the home owner could fix that hideous patch job at the side of their wall instead of whining how ugly the cable is.

 

That is uglier.

 

 

looks to me as some monkeys installed that conduit as there is a huge bend in the horizontal piece and only 2 saddles in this pic over a 2m span

 

Click to see full size

 

 

I'm rather lost as to the actual nature of their issue. Sure they may not like it, but they're also unwilling to fund an underground install. Quite simply, there is no issue.

 

This install is totally within spec and identical to literally tens of thousands of copper, UFB and HFC installs right the across the country. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so 2 saddles over a 2m span and a huge bow in the conduit would be acceptable?


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  # 2222061 22-Apr-2019 11:19
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I think adding a couple more saddles would tidy it and I am sure the installer would have happily complied. But as for the rest of the install, it's not that bad, next house paint and it will magic away.

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  # 2222063 22-Apr-2019 11:33
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sparkz25:

chevrolux: I dont see the issue using flexi for bends. It's really quite standard. The formed bends making running cable hard, so just slide some flexi over the top and saddle it down.

At least it's protected unlike 90% of the external fibre runs.


There is a proper way of installing flexible conduit.


The photos clearly show pure laziness in installing the flexible conduit.


You just simply jam some 20mm flexi in to a 25mm conduit do you?



If I didn't have formed bends on me, then yes I absolutely would. It's better than nothing.

Saying it's purely laziness is just getting on a high horse for the sake of it. You have to think the usual way fibre is installed, generally just nailed to a fence or side of the house. The fact they have used conduit at all is great. And functionally, use flexi like that has absolutely zero impact on the final outcome, plus makes it easier and faster to install.

As for that Nelson lady, meh, nothing wrong with that. Again, shes lucky it's not just microduct nailed to the side of her house.

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  # 2222079 22-Apr-2019 11:50
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sparkz25:

 

sbiddle:

 

sparkz25:

 

pctek:

 

quickymart:

 

Somewhat related:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/112144040/fibre-install-nightmare-with-chorus

 

 

No sorry, I'm on Chorus side with that one.

 

A neat tidy job. perhaps the home owner could fix that hideous patch job at the side of their wall instead of whining how ugly the cable is.

 

That is uglier.

 

 

looks to me as some monkeys installed that conduit as there is a huge bend in the horizontal piece and only 2 saddles in this pic over a 2m span

 

Click to see full size

 

 

I'm rather lost as to the actual nature of their issue. Sure they may not like it, but they're also unwilling to fund an underground install. Quite simply, there is no issue.

 

This install is totally within spec and identical to literally tens of thousands of copper, UFB and HFC installs right the across the country. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

so 2 saddles over a 2m span and a huge bow in the conduit would be acceptable?

 

 

Another saddle would have been better but I think in the context of things that's a rather minor issue. With the ETP screwed to the wall the conduit probably isn't going to bow much.

 

The real issue seems to be the fact the customer seems to have agreed to the location, but then gone nuclear when they didn't like what they got - which is a totally acceptable professional install no different to tens of thousands of other properties.

 

Maybe they should actually look at what an ugly exterior install looks like..

 

 

 

 

 

 




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chevrolux:
sparkz25:

 

chevrolux: I dont see the issue using flexi for bends. It's really quite standard. The formed bends making running cable hard, so just slide some flexi over the top and saddle it down.

At least it's protected unlike 90% of the external fibre runs.

 

 

 

There is a proper way of installing flexible conduit.

 

 

 

The photos clearly show pure laziness in installing the flexible conduit.

 

 

 

You just simply jam some 20mm flexi in to a 25mm conduit do you?

 



If I didn't have formed bends on me, then yes I absolutely would. It's better than nothing.

Saying it's purely laziness is just getting on a high horse for the sake of it. You have to think the usual way fibre is installed, generally just nailed to a fence or side of the house. The fact they have used conduit at all is great. And functionally, use flexi like that has absolutely zero impact on the final outcome, plus makes it easier and faster to install.

As for that Nelson lady, meh, nothing wrong with that. Again, shes lucky it's not just microduct nailed to the side of her house.

 

Sounds abit rough saying if you didnt have any formed bends that you would do that.

 

wouldn't it be easier to make a bell end? or use couplings?

 

 

 

It is pure lazyness not using the correct part to form a bend from flexi.

 

The only reason that the usual way for fiber to be installed in the manner of nailing it to the fence is because that is what has been told to the general consumer and non are the wiser.

 

It works out to be cheaper for chorus to do it that way so more profit in their back pocket. And thats all chorus is after profit!

 

 

 

 


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