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#2961453 31-Aug-2022 09:53

Lias:

I was talking about scheduled maintenance rather than faults. LFC's shouldn't be doing maintenance that will result in a disconnect of more than a second or two without the impacted end users being notified, either directly or via their ISP. The fact that to the best of my knowledge the LFC's only tell the ISP's about some maintenance, and pretty much none of the ISP's tell the end users or even put it on their status pages, is a problem.

Disagree....

I am pretty sure if that there is a Bitstream 3 or better service been consumed on a specific OLT - The LFC will notify the RSP and the RSP will notify the end user.

if its a Bitstream 2 (which most people are on at home and are expecting 24/7, 99.99% uptime on) then I feel the LFC is within their rights to do scheduled maintenance at their convenience, for $80 per month per connection they can't go around giving people notice every time they need to do upgrades/maintenance.

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#2961474 31-Aug-2022 10:49

If in doubt, blame the signs :)

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#2961553 31-Aug-2022 14:16

As I've probably mentioned I've dug post holes for front fences and found power or phone cable on or inside the pegged boundary line. When they replaced our water main they used suction trucks rather than dig to find the cables.

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#2961574 31-Aug-2022 15:12

450mm is absolutely standard depth for telco network cables and conduits, anything you're doing in the public space where you'll be driving posts, digging or otherwise penetrating the ground should have cable location done, and if you have concerns within the boundary of private property, I believe that the before you dig service is free, too.

Lias' thing on LFC/ISP outage notification could probably live in a different thread, I could talk at length about the viability of that (and I suspect I have in a previous thread), but TL;DR for that one is that most complaints come from customers who don't read their emails or check outage pages, and the viability of notification on this stuff is pretty low (for reasons I can't discuss because it'll almost certainly be noted as commercially sensitive information).

Whole article is a bit of a nothing burger, though the guy running on infrastructure maintenance doing this does tickle me a little bit. You want the distribution network laid in deeper? That'll cost a fair bit more, so you'll need to put your money where your mouth is. Subterrainian distribution networks are far from the most affordable installation method, aerial generally being the cheapest given the existing power infrastructure, and 450mm is plenty deep enough unless you're being a plonker. Your average spade, off the top of my head, is about 300mm, and you'll almost certainly not get someone driving the full length of the spade into the earth and digging that out.

https://www.beforeudig.co.nz/nz/home should be the first port of call when you're doing anything that'll involve digging into the earth if you don't know what you're doing, I'm a little disappointed that across all the articles no one has pointed out how readily available these services are.

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#2961595 31-Aug-2022 15:59

I suspect people weren't even aware that this was a service that was available? I wasn't

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#2961603 31-Aug-2022 16:08

Been around for years, used to be called 124 (cable location) back in the old Telecom days.

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#2961715 31-Aug-2022 20:40

I think the candidates could get away with shallower pegs if they changed the frame design. Driving down 450mm without a service locate is madness.

I reckon four pegs with max 300mm penetration would be more than sufficient, if you have a horizontal timber member between the front and rear pegs. Especially in hard Wellington clay/rock. You can buy warratahs/Y-posts in 300-450mm lengths

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#2961717 31-Aug-2022 21:09

It's not what will do that drives them, it's what will stop another candidate's supporters from easily trashing their signs.

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#2961723 31-Aug-2022 21:43

Wheelbarrow01:
I don't have first hand knowledge of this incident, however the photo published on the Stuff article shows some interesting things:

Wait, no one noticed his campaign promise to fix infrastructure?

Thankfully no one was hurt, or worse. Rather surprising it doesn't happen more given the number of signs up ATM.

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#2961732 31-Aug-2022 23:05

quickymart:
Been around for years, used to be called 124 (cable location) back in the old Telecom days.

I still see ‘Dial 124, Before You Dig’ placards on posts all around the place! :)

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#2962010 1-Sep-2022 14:08

quickymart:

Yes, I guess she's never heard of Freeview either.

I used to live in Hataitai and don't remember the TV reception being too flash (this was back in the analogue days) but it was watchable, at least.

We used to live around the corner from that part of Evans Bay, and there was basically no freeview TV reception unless you had cable or Sky satellite.
As there is no line of sight to the Freeview transmitter at Mt Kaukau, she would have had no TV, as we did whenever the cable was out.

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#2962065 1-Sep-2022 14:39

Ah yes parts of Evans Bay can be a bit poor for TV and FM reception, I do remember that. Mind you though, Freeview didn't exist when I lived in Wellington - it was all analogue back then.

From memory when I lived in Hataitai (just off Waipapa Rd) my aerial went through my landlord's property upstairs and even they - despite being elevated - needed a booster to be able to pick up VHF. They never had a UHF aerial, so I missed watching MTV at my place.

Conversely, my then-girlfriend in Brooklyn was able to pick up all the channels - including MTV - with just a pair of rabbit's ears for her aerial, and the signal was pretty good.

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#2962908 3-Sep-2022 23:26

Lias:

I was talking about scheduled maintenance rather than faults. LFC's shouldn't be doing maintenance that will result in a disconnect of more than a second or two without the impacted end users being notified, either directly or via their ISP.

I also disagree....

I'd spend more time calculating who is affected rather than just fixing the problem I am trying to solve. And most of them dont even read the notification anyway. Instead it needs to be a balance.

Chorus does however have such a system that mostly works but I have no idea how complicated it would be to integrate into a customer facing system. I suspect it wouldnt be easy.

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#2962909 3-Sep-2022 23:35

In the USA they have a national 811 service where all utilities are required to be members and offer free locate services to anyone digging on public/private land. Anyone doing the digging is required to file a ticket first. Even if its just planting a tree, installing a sprinkler system or building a fence.

Here there is no centralized service - eg. our local power co isnt a customer of b4udig so you have to call b4udig for chorus (and gas i think in our area), the power lines company for electricity and their fiber, the council for water and sewer.

Also with chorus its not free.

I wonder what would happen if someone got worksafe involved? It would probably just take an incident of the right nature to change attitudes to getting utilities located.

I know we have fiber cables that we buried at one depth, road grading now means they are at another depth.

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#2962968 4-Sep-2022 11:14

raytaylor:

I'd spend more time calculating who is affected rather than just fixing the problem I am trying to solve. And most of them dont even read the notification anyway. Instead it needs to be a balance.

Chorus does however have such a system that mostly works but I have no idea how complicated it would be to integrate into a customer facing system. I suspect it wouldnt be easy.

Developing scripting to automate stuff like this is my bread and butter so I think it would be pretty easy. LFC's would make all their maintenance info available via API, the ISP's just write some simple automation to pull that, match it with their customer records and send it on.

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