2nd Generation XGS (Hyperfibre) ONT launching Sept 2023

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#3118039 19-Aug-2023 23:24

I don't really see the big deal here. I got h/f the old ONT no issues. What benefits is this new ONT offering?

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#3118041 19-Aug-2023 23:31

The 1st gen ont is way better than to the 2nd gen .. 2nd gen is a cheaper option for chorus I recon

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#3118049 20-Aug-2023 08:02

The first gen ONT is allegedly very power-hungry and physically large. This probably isn't an issue for the initial early-adopter folks who might have it sitting in a half-rack full of storage and servers running 24/7... but it's an issue as they try to move towards mass-market, where people want to fit it inside recessed network cabinets with limited cooling, along with other networking equipments. They're tight enough as it is.

Power is also an issue if you want to run one for a while off a UPS, whether AC or DC. PBTech sells these, which claim a 2.5h runtime for a standard ONT off a ~8Wh 18650. "Less than 46W" on the other hand implies a <10 minute runtime on battery.

Other than the option for use as an RGW (which I imagine the new ONT could do fine), what's superior about the old one? They're glorified media converters.

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#3118055 20-Aug-2023 08:53

quickymart:

That's a trial with one RSP, it's not a commercially offered service (yet).

Actually it's a Chorus wide trial. https://sp.chorus.co.nz/product-update/hyperfibre-ont-self-upgrade-trial

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#3118105 20-Aug-2023 09:37

First I've heard of it being offered by any RSP though, so it might be "Chorus-wide" but I've not heard of any RSP's offering it as a service (apart from Quic as mentioned here).

In any case, if the trial works and it ends up saving a tech visit, great.

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#3118402 21-Aug-2023 09:19

quickymart:

First I've heard of it being offered by any RSP though, so it might be "Chorus-wide" but I've not heard of any RSP's offering it as a service (apart from Quic as mentioned here).

In any case, if the trial works and it ends up saving a tech visit, great.

We actually had 5 RSPs take part and it went really well. Our systems need some more love before we can scale it into anything bigger, but watch this space.

Just a quick note around the 1st vs 2nd gen Hyperfibre ONTs. The first gen has a bunch of features that the second gen doesn't have, e.g. wi-fi. That was really important in 2019 when we launched, but in 2023, there's better equipment out there, and it's starting to not cost the earth. We have made the decision to let our ONT be a simpler device (No wi-fi, no routing, wall mounted). The trade-off is now the customer needs to provide the CPE (Either the end user or the RSP). I'm really keen to get the second gen out into market, but we have a stock of the 1st gens that we need to use. I'm not too keen on dumping perfectly good working equipment.

So, the more people who order hyperfibre, the sooner I can get the ONT on the wall :)

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#3119029 22-Aug-2023 16:15

SomeoneSomewhere:

"Less than 46W" on the other hand implies a <10 minute runtime on battery.

You got me curious on this, so we've tested the ONTs at the lab.

The various GPON ONTs draw around 5-6W, while the 1st gen XGS-PON ONT drew 9.5W at idle in bridge mode, load does not add significant power draw (still measured 9.5W with 8Gbps up and down). in RGW mode with wi-fi and ethernet throughput that goes up to 15W under load or 11W at idle. It looks like that 46W is an absolute max power draw and is largely driven by the two ATA ports being "off the hook".

The new 2nd gen XGS-PON draws 8.7W, so slightly less, but nothing to get too excited by?

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#3121747 30-Aug-2023 07:51

Very useful post. I wanted to check that if I place an order for Hyperfibre next week -

Can I have the option of upgrading the ONT myself? Much easier if I do then can spend time sorting out the cabling to make it fit alongside my switches etc.
Will I recieve the new smaller ONT. Have limited space since its inside my FTTH cabinet.

Space is really the only reason why I havent switched yet to Hyperfibre since I would want to mount this similar to the existing ONT.

Thanks

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#3121749 30-Aug-2023 08:00

Jiriteach:
Very useful post. I wanted to check that if I place an order for Hyperfibre next week -

Can I have the option of upgrading the ONT myself? Much easier if I do then can spend time sorting out the cabling to make it fit alongside my switches etc.

Will I recieve the new smaller ONT. Have limited space since its inside my FTTH cabinet.

Space is really the only reason why I havent switched yet to Hyperfibre since I would want to mount this similar to the existing ONT.

Thanks

I feel like the bearer of bad news on this one. The new ONT won't be out in the network until next year (when stocks of the larger first gen ONT are exhausted). We also aren't ready to do self-upgrade (some big system upgrades are required) and won't be likely to support it until next year.

For the next 6 months or so, it'll be a technician installing the first gen ONT

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#3121750 30-Aug-2023 08:03

Vindy500:
Jiriteach:

Very useful post. I wanted to check that if I place an order for Hyperfibre next week -

Can I have the option of upgrading the ONT myself? Much easier if I do then can spend time sorting out the cabling to make it fit alongside my switches etc.
Will I recieve the new smaller ONT. Have limited space since its inside my FTTH cabinet.

Space is really the only reason why I havent switched yet to Hyperfibre since I would want to mount this similar to the existing ONT.

Thanks

I feel like the bearer of bad news on this one. The new ONT won't be out in the network until next year (when stocks of the larger first gen ONT are exhausted). We also aren't ready to do self-upgrade (some big system upgrades are required) and won't be likely to support it until next year.

For the next 6 months or so, it'll be a technician installing the first gen ONT

No worries - thanks for the clarity. First gen ONT's are HUGE! :) - no hurry can wait until nexy year.

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#3121751 30-Aug-2023 08:05

Jiriteach:
Very useful post. I wanted to check that if I place an order for Hyperfibre next week -

Can I have the option of upgrading the ONT myself? Much easier if I do then can spend time sorting out the cabling to make it fit alongside my switches etc.

Will I recieve the new smaller ONT. Have limited space since its inside my FTTH cabinet.

Space is really the only reason why I havent switched yet to Hyperfibre since I would want to mount this similar to the existing ONT.

Thanks

1) Depends on ISP.

2) No, the new ONT soft launches in November, and will only be deployed in quantity as supplies of the Gen 1 run out, expected early 2024.

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#3121962 30-Aug-2023 16:50

Why can't we use our own OTN?

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#3121975 30-Aug-2023 17:40

Chorus (and other LFCs) do not want end users plugging/unplugging fibre any more than absolutely necessary. It's fragile and prone to contamination. End users removing their ONT/router and leaving the fibre hanging in the open is also a serious concern.

Because GPON doesn't support port-based authentication (~16 properties share one 'port'), GPON requires some kind of secret-based authentication, preferably proper crypto to stop people eavesdropping on their neighbours traffic. That's harder to setup with end-user-supplied gear.

The actual optics are in an SFP, which may not be supplied or might not be compatible. Chorus has *trialed* offering SFP-type ONTs for business customers, but I don't know if that went anywhere. Note that SFPs are limited to 1Gb/s (some 2.5Gb/s which is I think non-standard), and the 10Gb/s SFP+ version is physically different.

It also means you can't have multiple services supplied from one ONT, which I think is currently a legislative requirement to get Crown funding.

If you want to use that router, there's nothing stopping you connecting it to your existing ONT with a Cat6 patch lead.

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#3122098 31-Aug-2023 09:03

While the list of why we like to use our own ONTs is long (and won't be changing that policy anytime soon), I wanted to just touch on one more thing.

That unit only does GPON, which while has capability of 2.5G, we use a 1:16 splitter, which means that 2.5G is shared over all the customers on that splitter. We wont be offering more than 1 gig on G-PON to ensure all the customers on the street have a uncongested experience.

However we are making significant investment to deliver XGS-PON, which has 10G to share per port, this is what is allowing us to offer these multi-gig speeds. XGS-PON optics are significantly more expensive, but we think its worth it :)

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#3126460 12-Sep-2023 12:30

Hey @chorus

I've just been upgraded to Hyper Fibre does the system take time to finish for speed tests to be right ?

I get the expected upload every time, But download is capped at 960 on the dot. It is connected at 10gig rate ?

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