Hyperfibre slow upload latency?

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#3114282 10-Aug-2023 17:01

I'd get a 300/100 connection with an RSP with a local POP and good peering, and understand that routes change often, usually outside of their network so not always within their control.

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#3114370 10-Aug-2023 21:29

I'm still not sure what you're trying to show here? If you intend on running your connection full tilt while gaming you will obviously need to upgrade your network equipment as your LAN only appears to be gigabit Ethernet... 900/500 connections are shaped nicely to run within the envelope of GE while hyperfibre will be more jagged as your GE is maxed out so it's likely your problem with high upload latency under load is occurring before things even hit the Chorus or ISP network.

From my observation in recent weeks Compass appear to have completed some network augments as I'm seeing much better international performance even on regular fibre. Most of their external traffic goes via Voyager who have decent responses times to most international destinations. They have national peering and CDNs over Megaport/AKL-IX across Auckland locations including 220 Queen, Mayoral Drive and their own Datavault. Since you're also in Auckland any further local peering (like in WLG/CHC) won't make a difference.

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#3114376 10-Aug-2023 21:57

What would you all do these days if your priority is low latency to game servers? Consider that 2dgrees uses CGNAT, and they and MyRepublic have now both been bought into the same group.

There is simply no such thing. MyRepublic was marketing and not a good ISP and everyone else are pretty much of a muchness.

What are you expecting? Is there actually any problem here...? You can still game fine...

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#3114994 12-Aug-2023 14:04

Does CGNAT really affect latency? Most ISP's use it these days with an option to opt out.

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#3114995 12-Aug-2023 14:17

Wombat1:

Does CGNAT really affect latency? Most ISP's use it these days with an option to opt out.

I would say it can... it's an extra hop, recall the days of transparent proxy caches where the load balancers on a bad day would add 100's of milliseconds or stall on connection setup. It can also depend on network topology - I recall at some stage either on Snap or Devoli that CG-NAT boxes and the BNGs were in different cities. So say you are in Christchurch and the CGNAT box for Christchurch customers was in Wellington so CGNAT connections across town had to take the round trip to Wellington whereas publicly routed would be directly across town.

I don't think Compass have CG-NAT though, could be wrong.

This thread is more about Hyperfibre ISPs either providing or the customers themselves supplying their own router with 2.5 Gbps WAN port but 1 Gbps LAN ports then the customer experience will be suboptimal if they saturate their 1 Gb LAN.

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#3115435 14-Aug-2023 06:47

havenplaygame:

What would you all do these days if your priority is low latency to game servers?

Stick with regular fibre and be grateful I no longer live in the days of dial-up internet where an average ping to a local game server was over 200ms?

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#3115542 14-Aug-2023 10:22

michaelmurfy:

Yeah more marketing cruft. The other problem is you've change from a large, well peered ISP to a smaller provider. But to be honest you're highly unlikely to notice any difference even with online gaming... You're changing for all the wrong reasons if you only care about latency anyway.

It's even worse if you scroll down to FAQs about Hyperfibre:

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#3115546 14-Aug-2023 10:28

Good god, who's making that claim?

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michaelmurfy:

Yeah more marketing cruft. The other problem is you've change from a large, well peered ISP to a smaller provider. But to be honest you're highly unlikely to notice any difference even with online gaming... You're changing for all the wrong reasons if you only care about latency anyway.

It's even worse if you scroll down to FAQs about Hyperfibre:

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#3115551 14-Aug-2023 10:38

@BMarquis - are you able to provide the Chorus testing results showing a 6-50x improvement in latency that can be achieved moving from "standard Fibre internet" to Hyperfibre please?

(I kid, I kid - but perhaps a comment distancing yourselves from this sort of creative marketing might be nice :-)

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#3115570 14-Aug-2023 10:57

Chorus found a way to speed up the speed of light? Amazing....

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#3115626 14-Aug-2023 11:26

They must've been comparing with FibreX 😉

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#3115653 14-Aug-2023 12:23

Talkiet:

@BMarquis - are you able to provide the Chorus testing results showing a 6-50x improvement in latency that can be achieved moving from "standard Fibre internet" to Hyperfibre please?

(I kid, I kid - but perhaps a comment distancing yourselves from this sort of creative marketing might be nice :-)

Given xgspon is being used for HPA, it might not be as silly of a question if you consider it's TDMA in the uplink.

hyperfibre is the wrong context to ask that question, to be fair...

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#3115719 14-Aug-2023 14:25

To be honest if there was a "layer 3" variant of Hyperfibre where Chorus handled the CG-NAT and you had two users in Invercargill directly exchanging traffic with each other you could easily make the 50ms claim that compared to government mandated layer 2 "standard fibre" which potentially trombones traffic up to Auckland two rounds trip for tail extensions and national peering.

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#3115761 14-Aug-2023 16:31

Lorenceo:

NBN's artificial 50Mbps upload limit is just not up to snuff in 2023.

This is not correct. All FTTP addresses in Aus are capable of speeds up to 1000/400 Mbps, they just expensive and not the norm like in NZ.

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#3115842 14-Aug-2023 20:02

Wombat1:
This is not correct. All FTTP addresses in Aus are capable of speeds up to 1000/400 Mbps, they just expensive and not the norm like in NZ

Yep, I'm aware. The kind of money one would need to spend per month to access it could land you a hyperfibre connection here.
Sure, Internet acces isn't perfect here, but I'm much happier on UFB than I would be on NBN. :)

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