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  #3246991 10-Jun-2024 14:08
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I've written a reply to this at my site: https://billbennett.co.nz/who-said-fibre-wasnt-better/

 

This story is a decade old. Despite the headline, it didn’t suggest fibre is not the best network option. There is nothing in the post that is factually incorrect.

 

The controversial part, which, presumably is what Quickymart thinks has “not aged well”, is where I say what was then called Crown Fibre Holdings should, at least, have listened to Vodafone’s suggestion to wrap its HFC network into the UFB network.

 

While that may not be the best plan, it wasn’t stupid.

 

HFC overbuild

 

Had Crown Fibre chosen not to overbuild the HFC network, the money saved could have been recycled into extending the reach of UFB.

 

More people would have had fast broadband quicker.

 

Instead of 87 per cent of homes being on the UFB network today, we could have had a figure somewhere in the 90s.

 

Sure, Vodafone’s motives were not pure. It spotted an opportunity to offload a dubious asset.

 

It's not as good as fibre

 

And of course HFC technology is not as good as fibre. You won’t find me saying that anywhere.

 

I’ve written more than 1000 posts about fibre broadband, not one of them suggests another technology is better.

 

Sometimes I may suggest that an alternative communications technology may be the right product for some people in certain cases. That’s not the same thing.

 

Broadband backup

 

Later in the Geekzone thread there’s a comment saying this passage is out of touch with reality.

 

“Fibre is essential for businesses who need bulk data and sold, consistent bandwidth. 4G isn’t an alternative, it’s a complementary service. Smart companies will buy both”.

 

This certainly happens. These days the backup technology is more likely to be 5G or even a low earth orbit satellite.

 

Not everyone does this. But a business that can’t tolerate extended internet outages will invest in a second string technology.

 

That's entertainment

 

The strangest thing to critique is where I say: “For most people, buying fibre services only makes sense if it opens the door to new entertainment options.”

 

While it may look obvious in hindsight, it simply wasn’t at the time the story was written.

 

To put this in context, Netflix and Neon arrived about nine months after the post was written.

 

And that’s the issue with the criticism. It lacks context.

 

Context

 

The story was written when fibre uptake was low and there was nervousness about the UFB project succeeding. Remember the fuss about the ‘copper tax’ and how the fibre companies might go bust?

 

A year after the post in question was written, I wrote:

 

To date only one-in-eight of the people able to connect to fibre have signed-up. Given that the UFB builders cherry-picked the richest suburbs as the first to get fibre, this doesn’t bode well.

 

That was June 2015.

 

More recently I interviewed Steven Joyce and Sir John Key about their role in the UFB and they both said that success wasn’t certain until at least late 2015. And yes, Netflix was the catalyst.

 

Back to May 2014: At that time many RBI fixed wireless users were getting higher speeds than base level UFB customers*.

 

It is so easy to forget all that and be clever in hindsight. Yet, there’s nothing in the story that is factually wrong, merely a suggested course of action that wasn’t taken.

 

  • I can’t remember what speeds Vodafone HFC was getting in 2014, the nearest reference in my notes is from 2017 where TrueNet clocked the FibreX network at 70 Mbps. If anyone can help, I'll update this.

Footnote: I removed the post from this site because it was outdated and I didn't think anyone would be interested any more. Obviously that was wrong.

 

 





Bill Bennett www.billbennett.co.nz @billbennettnz




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  #3247001 10-Jun-2024 14:32
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Thanks for replying, I honestly didn't expect you even see my thread, never mind respond to it. And yes you make a few good points, some of my comments were possibly out of context.

 

I have a query for you - if you could go back in time to 2014 with the knowledge about how popular fibre is today would you have said anything differently in your article? ie, maybe you could have told John Key not to worry about the uptake as it would turn out fine in the end? 🙂 Genuinely curious.


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Back in the early 2010s I would have thought using Saturns old infrastructure would have made financial sense.  Although I recall a lot of it was above ground using thick cables spanning poles. So I think in the end the right decision was made. It is sort of ironic that we got it right with fibre, but have failed with so much other infrastructure in NZ




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  #3247016 10-Jun-2024 15:48
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mattwnz:

 

Back in the early 2010s I would have thought using Saturns old infrastructure would have made financial sense.  Although I recall a lot of it was above ground using thick cables spanning poles. So I think in the end the right decision was made. It is sort of ironic that we got it right with fibre, but have failed with so much other infrastructure in NZ

 

 

I can see the justification for doing the areas with HFC last, but back then there were no plans to move to a high split which goes some way to solving the absurd asymmetric nature of DOCIS. I dont know if that has happened on the ONE network and they are still offering pathetic upload speeds.





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  #3247054 10-Jun-2024 17:34
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quickymart:

 

I have a query for you - if you could go back in time to 2014 with the knowledge about how popular fibre is today would you have said anything differently in your article? ie, maybe you could have told John Key not to worry about the uptake as it would turn out fine in the end? 🙂 Genuinely curious.

 



The comment in that story about entertainment borders on prophecy. In hindsight I wish I had made more of it.

 

I was always confident fibre would succeed, but had no idea how long it would take. 

 

 





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  #3247056 10-Jun-2024 17:49
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richms:

 

mattwnz:

 

Back in the early 2010s I would have thought using Saturns old infrastructure would have made financial sense.  Although I recall a lot of it was above ground using thick cables spanning poles. So I think in the end the right decision was made. It is sort of ironic that we got it right with fibre, but have failed with so much other infrastructure in NZ

 

 

I can see the justification for doing the areas with HFC last, but back then there were no plans to move to a high split which goes some way to solving the absurd asymmetric nature of DOCIS. I dont know if that has happened on the ONE network and they are still offering pathetic upload speeds.

 

 

They spec it at 100Mb/s upload currently, which isn't bad.

 

I agree on the delay, then replace approach.

 

The other big thing I would have wanted to see is unbundling. If VF wanted to be considered an alternative to fibre, they really ought to have complied with the other constraints: at minimum, sell wholesale to other ISPs. Preferably separate the network arm from the ISP arm.


 
 
 

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SomeoneSomewhere:

 

They spec it at 100Mb/s upload currently, which isn't bad.

 

I agree on the delay, then replace approach.

 

The other big thing I would have wanted to see is unbundling. If VF wanted to be considered an alternative to fibre, they really ought to have complied with the other constraints: at minimum, sell wholesale to other ISPs. Preferably separate the network arm from the ISP arm.

 

 

my understanding is that One NZ is about to make a major announcement about wholesaling… but I don’t think it involves HFC. 





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