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#518433 8-Sep-2011 10:08

Kyanar: Looking at that map, it's obvious that Chorus is fairly uninterested in getting Fibre to the Home. Every one of their Year 1 targets is either Industrial, Commercial, or Upper Class housing. I would have liked to see them at least make a token effort to include a neighbourhood inhabited by average people. Or at the least including their existing fibre network in the year 1 targets (which they haven't) - I realise there is a cost involved in rolling UFB out to the existing network, but surely compared to lighting up new cable that's a "quick win"?

You have to remember the focus of the UFB (quoting the front page of the CFH website)

"The Government's objective is to accelerate the roll-out of Ultra-Fast Broadband to 75 percent of New Zealanders over ten years, concentrating in the first six years on priority broadband users such as businesses, schools and health services, plus green field developments and certain tranches of residential areas."

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#518444 8-Sep-2011 10:35

The really ironic and funny thing here is that after all my involvement with the FTTH projects and doing the development with Telecom and Chorus over the last 4 years I am in the first UFB fiber coverage zone

... Yah for me you would say and my wife would say good bloody job too, but actually the hassle of getting fiber and the extra equipment hont, I'm electing for a VDSL product instead at this stage... now that's both funny and ironic as I see it

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#518827 8-Sep-2011 23:53

maverick: The really ironic and funny thing here is that after all my involvement with the FTTH projects and doing the development with Telecom and Chorus over the last 4 years I am in the first UFB fiber coverage zone ... Yah for me you would say and my wife would say good bloody job too, but actually the hassle of getting fiber and the extra equipment hont, I'm electing for a VDSL product instead at this stage... now that's both funny and ironic as I see it

Your reasoning for not getting FTTH would be one of the likely reasons that places like Japan have had a thirty percent take-up on their fibre rollout after ten years.

With VDSL you need a splitter and a new modem. With FTTH you need a new termination point, modem and internal wiring.

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#518836 9-Sep-2011 06:04

With VDSL you need a splitter and a new modem. With FTTH you need a new termination point, modem and internal wiring.

And probably your lawn dug up, and the path and curb infront, for those of us who lived through Telstras HFC dig in 15yrs ago expect lots of tears before bedtime :)

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#519029 9-Sep-2011 14:57

I'd be happy for the front lawn to be ripped up if it meant I got FTTH.
Power is distributed overhead here though, so FTTH probably will be too.

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#519031 9-Sep-2011 14:59

I have underground power and overhead phone. It'll be interesting to see whether they take the opportunity to move it all underground.

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#519065 9-Sep-2011 16:39

Behodar: I have underground power and overhead phone. It'll be interesting to see whether they take the opportunity to move it all underground.

Unlikely. Some years ago Telecom put the street I was in underground. The power company just came and put in new polls.

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#600417 26-Mar-2012 18:10

" Or at the least including their existing fibre network in the year 1 targets (which they haven't) - I realise there is a cost involved in rolling UFB out to the existing network, but surely compared to lighting up new cable that's a "quick win"?"

Methinks TeleChorus are in no great rush to allow CBD sites that already have fibre onto the UFB scheme- why would you want your clients who are paying $500/month to be offered $150/month for ten times the speed?

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#600428 26-Mar-2012 18:43

There is no Telechorus. There is Telecom New Zealand and there is Chorus. These are distinct companies, independently listed in the NZX.

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#600432 26-Mar-2012 18:49

craigdrown: " Or at the least including their existing fibre network in the year 1 targets (which they haven't) - I realise there is a cost involved in rolling UFB out to the existing network, but surely compared to lighting up new cable that's a "quick win"?"

Methinks TeleChorus are in no great rush to allow CBD sites that already have fibre onto the UFB scheme- why would you want your clients who are paying $500/month to be offered $150/month for ten times the speed?

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The current fibre network will provide limited opportunities to help upgrade to UFB GPON style services. There is significantly more fibre that will be running through the ground under UFB so simple things like lack of capacity in the conduit means that it really will be a lot of work. The topology of the network is also vastly different with UFB GPON requiring prisms for aggregation.

The costs of current fibre connections are actually UFB prices but they can only offer the hgiher end bistream 3a (I think) service hence why the cost is still high. Remember the cost has come down like almost 50% in the last year.

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#600434 26-Mar-2012 18:58

maverick: The really ironic and funny thing here is that after all my involvement with the FTTH projects and doing the development with Telecom and Chorus over the last 4 years I am in the first UFB fiber coverage zone ... Yah for me you would say and my wife would say good bloody job too, but actually the hassle of getting fiber and the extra equipment hont, I'm electing for a VDSL product instead at this stage... now that's both funny and ironic as I see it

I think the real funny and ironic thing that you've highlighted is that home users don't need FTTH, a better backhauled xDSL / VDSL connection would be more than enough for 99.9% of NZ Internet users.

It's so silly that the government needs to spend 1$billion+ when better backhaul/handover regulations would result in most customers getting what they want, large data caps, not necessarily 100mbps connections.

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#600472 26-Mar-2012 20:47

craigdrown: " Or at the least including their existing fibre network in the year 1 targets (which they haven't) - I realise there is a cost involved in rolling UFB out to the existing network, but surely compared to lighting up new cable that's a "quick win"?"

Methinks TeleChorus are in no great rush to allow CBD sites that already have fibre onto the UFB scheme- why would you want your clients who are paying $500/month to be offered $150/month for ten times the speed?

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You're comparing apples with oranges and wondering why they're not the same price at the supermarket because they're both fruit.

You can't compare P2P fibre with GPON, and the reasons GPON pricing is different to P2P pricing is the because of the vastly different network technology and architecture making P2P is a vastly superior product. For $500 you are getting a product that is vastly different to the $150 one, hence the significant difference in the price. A single fibre port costs $, and with P2P can only serve a single customer, with UFB it serves 24.

Chorus P2P fibre pricing is identical to the UFB P2P pricing. This was an agreement with CFH and prices took effect from August 2011.

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#600499 26-Mar-2012 22:04

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craigdrown: " Or at the least including their existing fibre network in the year 1 targets (which they haven't) - I realise there is a cost involved in rolling UFB out to the existing network, but surely compared to lighting up new cable that's a "quick win"?"

Methinks TeleChorus are in no great rush to allow CBD sites that already have fibre onto the UFB scheme- why would you want your clients who are paying $500/month to be offered $150/month for ten times the speed?

Cheers,
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You're comparing apples with oranges and wondering why they're not the same price at the supermarket because they're both fruit.

You can't compare P2P fibre with GPON, and the reasons GPON pricing is different to P2P pricing is the because of the vastly different network technology and architecture making P2P is a vastly superior product. For $500 you are getting a product that is vastly different to the $150 one, hence the significant difference in the price. A single fibre port costs $, and with P2P can only serve a single customer, with UFB it serves 24.

Chorus P2P fibre pricing is identical to the UFB P2P pricing. This was an agreement with CFH and prices took effect from August 2011.

Yes, GPON (UFB) compare to HSNS Premium, and other P2P fibre circuits from other providers, is not very well explained to business users. In this case Orcon being the first provider launching the GPON based products.

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#600515 26-Mar-2012 22:29

I wasn't arguing the technical merits. The point was that surely current business fibre margins must be a lot higher than UFB margins? And that would give some incentive for Chorus not to be in a hurry to add UFB availability?
It will be interesting to see how many businesses opt for the "vastly superior" P2P over UFB once they have a choice.

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#600533 27-Mar-2012 06:16

craigdrown: I wasn't arguing the technical merits. The point was that surely current business fibre margins must be a lot higher than UFB margins? And that would give some incentive for Chorus not to be in a hurry to add UFB availability?
It will be interesting to see how many businesses opt for the "vastly superior" P2P over UFB once they have a choice.

Once again you're back to trying to directly compare orange and apples. P2P and GPON product offerings both co-exist in the UFB world because there are significant differences between the two.

Whether businesses choose a P2P product or a GPON product is going to depend entirely on what their requirements are. As general internet access a GPON product will be fine, but if you're wanting a premium product with dedicated high CIR and or point to point or point to multipoint linking then you're going to opt for a P2P offering.

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