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#532089 11-Oct-2011 20:36

Mikrotik 750GL? Won't that move ~300mbit/s?

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#532096 11-Oct-2011 20:52

DonGould: Mikrotik 750GL? Won't that move ~300mbit/s?

Won't get anywhere close.

750GL's are horrible low cost devices that Mikrotik are making cheaper and cheaper by putting lower spec hardware in them.

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#532099 11-Oct-2011 20:58

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DonGould: Mikrotik 750GL? Won't that move ~300mbit/s?

Won't get anywhere close.

750GL's are horrible low cost devices that Mikrotik are making cheaper and cheaper by putting lower spec hardware in them.

What do you think they'll move?

Isn't this guy just trying to move more than 75mbit?

Sure, it might not do 300mbit... but will it do 150 (which is creaming in his current requirement)?

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#532106 11-Oct-2011 21:11

DonGould:
sbiddle:
DonGould: Mikrotik 750GL? Won't that move ~300mbit/s?

Won't get anywhere close.

750GL's are horrible low cost devices that Mikrotik are making cheaper and cheaper by putting lower spec hardware in them.

What do you think they'll move?

Isn't this guy just trying to move more than 75mbit?

Sure, it might not do 300mbit... but will it do 150 (which is creaming in his current requirement)?

Routing performance depends entirely on the frame size, there is no simple one size fits all solution. Start putting 160 byte VoIP frames through any router and you get an idea of the routing capabilities of the hardware!

I'd never recommend an RB750/G/GL for anything serious, particularly if you want to do any fancy stuff. The RB450's are a far superior unit to buy.

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#532139 11-Oct-2011 22:35

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DonGould:
sbiddle:
DonGould: Mikrotik 750GL? Won't that move ~300mbit/s?

Won't get anywhere close.

750GL's are horrible low cost devices that Mikrotik are making cheaper and cheaper by putting lower spec hardware in them.

What do you think they'll move?

Isn't this guy just trying to move more than 75mbit?

Sure, it might not do 300mbit... but will it do 150 (which is creaming in his current requirement)?

Routing performance depends entirely on the frame size, there is no simple one size fits all solution. Start putting 160 byte VoIP frames through any router and you get an idea of the routing capabilities of the hardware!

I'd never recommend an RB750/G/GL for anything serious, particularly if you want to do any fancy stuff. The RB450's are a far superior unit to buy.

So is this a recommended router for my situation? Happy to upgrade if that is what it takes. I just need speed and the ability to create some VPN tunnels. If the tunnelling can be achieved at the line speed then that is even better.

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#532152 11-Oct-2011 22:54

It depends on where you are terminating the VPN traffic, if its on the router in the form or IPSEC then you need hardware offload to achieve the sort of throughput that your circuit can support and neither the RB750 or the RB450 have that.

DTS have in the past deployed Cisco 2821's into customer sites which require mixed throughput of 200Mbps line speed and up to 50Mbps IPSEC, it might pay to give us a call again to discuss your requirements.

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#532177 12-Oct-2011 06:22

I'd personally a recommend a Cisco - you can get some good pricing on 2nd hand 1800 series gear these days if you don't want to fork out $$$ a brand new piece of hardware.

Depending on the VPN setup required an RG450G may suffice, but in both cases you'll require somebody to program these devices for you unless you are familiar with both systems.

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#532190 12-Oct-2011 07:41

I would still be looking at PFSense if your after throughput. With a decent CPU and using a protocol like Blowfish you will be able to push 100mbps through IPSec without having to spend that much on hardware. What connection has the remote site got?

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#532202 12-Oct-2011 08:39

Zeon: I would still be looking at PFSense if your after throughput. With a decent CPU and using a protocol like Blowfish you will be able to push 100mbps through IPSec without having to spend that much on hardware. What connection has the remote site got?

Not sure what you mean about the remote site? If it's where my server, is, then I think it's also Citylink and probably at least 100Mbs or possibly GB. So there are no limitations on that end.

As for the router, I now have recommendations for PFSense and Cisco. I want something simple to manage - plug and play if you will. And preferably not too expensive.

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#532203 12-Oct-2011 08:48

tprice42: It depends on where you are terminating the VPN traffic, if its on the router in the form or IPSEC then you need hardware offload to achieve the sort of throughput that your circuit can support and neither the RB750 or the RB450 have that.

DTS have in the past deployed Cisco 2821's into customer sites which require mixed throughput of 200Mbps line speed and up to 50Mbps IPSEC, it might pay to give us a call again to discuss your requirements.

I would actually like to get up to 100Mbs IPSEC if possible. That was the point of upgrading the line speed.

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#532204 12-Oct-2011 08:50

tprice42: It depends on where you are terminating the VPN traffic, if its on the router in the form or IPSEC then you need hardware offload to achieve the sort of throughput that your circuit can support and neither the RB750 or the RB450 have that.

DTS have in the past deployed Cisco 2821's into customer sites which require mixed throughput of 200Mbps line speed and up to 50Mbps IPSEC, it might pay to give us a call again to discuss your requirements.

I would actually like to get up to 100Mbs IPSEC if possible. That was the point of upgrading the line speed.

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#532205 12-Oct-2011 08:51

Well IPSEC @ 100mbit is going to require some coin for a seriously beefy router

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#532250 12-Oct-2011 10:07

Beccara: Well IPSEC @ 100mbit is going to require some coin for a seriously beefy router

THis is why I recommend PFsense. He will be able to push 100mbps using Blowfish with current generation x86 hardware no sweat at all. It's also opretty easy to manage which I can't say the same about for Cisco. Yes it has a reduced feature set compared to Cisco but not sure that's what the OP is after.

My suggestion would be a fairly new computer with a decent CPU. Maybe an i3 or i5 at each end would suffice for 100mbps IPSEC.

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#532251 12-Oct-2011 10:11

I would definitely say that PFsense would be more suited to your application.

Which on another note and related to a situation I was involved with recently, has anyone had experience with the Exar security engine cards that PFsense can use to offload VPN encryption work

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#532268 12-Oct-2011 10:58

Beccara: Well IPSEC @ 100mbit is going to require some coin for a seriously beefy router

Looking at the Mikrotik RB1100/AH which isn't too expensive and should do the job.

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