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#2617179 7-Dec-2020 06:48

I really want to get excited for hyperfibre but with our current woeful international transit can't see the point. We need more tier1 data centres in new zealand or isps to open their wallet for more international capacity for anything more than 1Gbps to be useable.

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#2617209 7-Dec-2020 08:45

sha256: I really want to get excited for hyperfibre but with our current woeful international transit can't see the point. We need more tier1 data centres in new zealand or isps to open their wallet for more international capacity for anything more than 1Gbps to be useable.

Wow. Not sure if trolling or just uninformed but most ISPs have little if any capacity constraints - maybe if you shop only at the very bottom of the market.

There are many reasons hyperfibre won't be that impressive for lots of use cases but Intl capacity isn't a common one.
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#2617223 7-Dec-2020 09:11

Talkiet:
sha256: I really want to get excited for hyperfibre but with our current woeful international transit can't see the point. We need more tier1 data centres in new zealand or isps to open their wallet for more international capacity for anything more than 1Gbps to be useable.

Wow. Not sure if trolling or just uninformed but most ISPs have little if any capacity constraints - maybe if you shop only at the very bottom of the market.

There are many reasons hyperfibre won't be that impressive for lots of use cases but Intl capacity isn't a common one.
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I'd certainly agree here. customers who would actually utilize that bandwidth are certainly in that top 0.1%. particularly when it comes to international.

Hyperfibre does bring real requirements for providers to have sizable pipes, but no provider in NZ would go to market without that...

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#2617304 7-Dec-2020 09:52

sha256: I really want to get excited for hyperfibre but with our current woeful international transit can't see the point. We need more tier1 data centres in new zealand or isps to open their wallet for more international capacity for anything more than 1Gbps to be useable.

I don't know where you are getting the idea that there is a lack of international capacity from but its certainly not correct for the bulk of NZ service providers. Don't confuse being able to sustain over 1G streams with a lack of capacity, physics comes into play here.

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#2617387 7-Dec-2020 10:48

noroad:

sha256: I really want to get excited for hyperfibre but with our current woeful international transit can't see the point. We need more tier1 data centres in new zealand or isps to open their wallet for more international capacity for anything more than 1Gbps to be useable.

I don't know where you are getting the idea that there is a lack of international capacity from but its certainly not correct for the bulk of NZ service providers. Don't confuse being able to sustain over 1G streams with a lack of capacity, physics comes into play here.

There is enough international bandwidth for "everyone to share for normal use"

What doesn't constitute normal use is someone with a max/max complaining they are not getting max/max when they connect to a VPN to the UK to watch BBC/ITV/CH4

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#2617391 7-Dec-2020 10:54

nztim:

There is enough international bandwidth for "everyone to share for normal use"

What doesn't constitute normal use is someone with a max/max complaining they are not getting max/max when they connect to a VPN to the UK to watch BBC/ITV/CH4

Look at it this way, for every user that there is like myself (Heavy as i'm sure @Talkiet is missing) there is generally equally a huge handful of smaller utilizers that balance the pipes out.

personally i have no issue pegging line rate across the world. but honestly, the ability to do that comes more down to configuration, application setup and tweaking for the usecase.

Providers look after the size of their pipes..

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#2617420 7-Dec-2020 11:22

hio77:

personally i have no issue pegging line rate across the world. but honestly, the ability to do that comes more down to configuration, application setup and tweaking for the usecase.

Providers look after the size of their pipes..

And the size of the pipe at the other end of the connection

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#2624544 20-Dec-2020 09:29

I got 4000/4000 from Orcon installed in Petone last week.

Seems alright so far; have seen speeds of 1680/902 which is a bit lower than advertised, but an improvement over my previous 900/450 connection, this might improve as time goes on.
Could be local network effecting it, though i'm running 10GbE/SFP+ throughout, through a UDM-Pro as a secondary router which I ideally want as the primary router. (I also tried without the UDM-Pro, and speeds wern't significantly faster)

Connection might be getting gimped by the included required ONT/home-router. I'm pretty keen to enable bridging mode or change the LAN subnet, but those featured are locked behind an admin login (if anyone has this login, hook me up!)

Getting in touch with Orcon or Chorus trying to change these settings just hits a brick wall. Orcon don't seem to realise that the 'ONT' has a consumer facing login screen at all (as there is none (that I know of) with the older gen ONTs), and just refer me to Chorus, who don't want to deal with me and just push me back to Orcon.

My network setup is currently:
Chorus ONT/Router <-10GbE-> UDM-Pro <-SFP+ DAC-> 10g network

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#2624599 20-Dec-2020 14:12

redhoodie:

Connection might be getting gimped by the included required ONT/home-router. I'm pretty keen to enable bridging mode or change the LAN subnet, but those featured are locked behind an admin login (if anyone has this login, hook me up!)

Getting in touch with Orcon or Chorus trying to change these settings just hits a brick wall. Orcon don't seem to realise that the 'ONT' has a consumer facing login screen at all (as there is none (that I know of) with the older gen ONTs), and just refer me to Chorus, who don't want to deal with me and just push me back to Orcon.

That's the reason I choose MyRepublic. Orcon doesn't care about the real speed, at least in my personal experience with them.

I would suggest solving the speed problem before you connect your router. Try the speedtest with your fastest server to verify your network setup. Unifi network uses mothership in Auckland which is not a good idea for speed test. My result with that one is 2Gbps download and 4Gbps upload.

I am using the same router, PM me if you need a hand.

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#2624621 20-Dec-2020 15:45

redhoodie:

I got 4000/4000 from Orcon installed in Petone last week.

Seems alright so far; have seen speeds of 1680/902 which is a bit lower than advertised, but an improvement over my previous 900/450 connection, this might improve as time goes on.
Could be local network effecting it, though i'm running 10GbE/SFP+ throughout, through a UDM-Pro as a secondary router which I ideally want as the primary router. (I also tried without the UDM-Pro, and speeds wern't significantly faster)

So, as someone who has done LOTS of testing at the higher end speeds I can tell you that even setups that you think should run full rate 4Gig will very rarely do so. The only device I have that can always do full rate 4G/4G is a Linux server with 10G interfaces connected via the ONT/RGW, everything else struggles to get over 2Gig, even pretty good gaming systems are inconsistent. I would not assume your Unify will provide the results you would like either. Getting a home network to do these speeds is a lot more difficult than one would expect.

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#2624622 20-Dec-2020 15:52

Be worth noting, that udm pro only has a 1G backplane to the 1gbit ports.

Would not surprise me if it's also not capable of actually running a full speedtest at 4/4G

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#2624628 20-Dec-2020 16:16

redhoodie:

Connection might be getting gimped by the included required ONT/home-router. I'm pretty keen to enable bridging mode or change the LAN subnet, but those featured are locked behind an admin login (if anyone has this login, hook me up!)

Umm isn't the password on the sticker on your ONT?

Changing to bridge mode requires the RSP to reprovision the device for that. I don't believe Orcon support that since they don't support 3rd party hardware.

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#2624662 20-Dec-2020 17:51

Umm isn't the password on the sticker on your ONT?

For now the CLI access to the ONT/RGW is very limited ("userAdmin" user only, not "admin"), a new version of the firmware will be pushed out early next year that should fix this issue.

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#2624664 20-Dec-2020 18:06

For now the CLI access to the ONT/RGW is very limited ("userAdmin" user only, not "admin"), a new version of the firmware will be pushed out early next year that should fix this issue.

Thanks! This is great to hear, look forward to it.

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#2624682 20-Dec-2020 19:00

noroad:

Umm isn't the password on the sticker on your ONT?

For now the CLI access to the ONT/RGW is very limited ("userAdmin" user only, not "admin"), a new version of the firmware will be pushed out early next year that should fix this issue.

Are we also going to get a option to change between RGW and bridge mode with new firmware, by end user?

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