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#1182154 24-Nov-2014 14:12

michaelmurfy:

Yeah probably not such a big deal for new builds, as all should have ducts put in to the boundary anyway which avoids this kind of problem (it has to be using their green ducting, to a suitable external termination point)
http://www.chorus.co.nz/file/18484/minimum_communication_cabling_requirements.pdf

I think that's the great part, where we get to set our own specs and put things exactly where we want them. I am not worried about Chorus and the next place, as long as our sparky understands the specs. :)

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#1182158 24-Nov-2014 14:20

Any engineer or company leaving a job like as being "finished" is not a professional. What a disgrace.

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#1182288 24-Nov-2014 17:45

If all the installs had to be underground except the budget to be all used up for i stallers alot quicker - its quote expensive to dig or drill to the house so sometimes the cheaper options is better

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#1182290 24-Nov-2014 17:50

I'd just be interested to know if this is now a Chorus policy to attempt to find the cheapest and quickest ways to do UFB installs.

Anyone from the company care to comment? Cheers.

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#1182344 24-Nov-2014 19:23

DarthKermit: I'd just be interested to know if this is now a Chorus policy to attempt to find the cheapest and quickest ways to do UFB installs.

Anyone from the company care to comment? Cheers.

That is absolutely what their new policy is.

I got a job that looked like the one you posted (mine had been run unprotected along top of a retaining wall which was essentially the ground) to be looked at. Got a call from the regional dude who told me that it was an acceptable install and nothing will be changed.

It's just plain cr4p.

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#1182351 24-Nov-2014 19:37

Not plain crap tbh - all about costings tbh

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#1182364 24-Nov-2014 20:09

Cbfd: Not plain crap tbh - all about costings tbh

That is crap though. If they weren't given enough money in the first place then they should have stopepd and said, you know what? 'We can't so this for this much money'

It had led to a bunch of accountants make decisions that network engineers should have made. Utterly ridiculous.

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#1182426 24-Nov-2014 21:41

DarthKermit: I'd just be interested to know if this is now a Chorus policy to attempt to find the cheapest and quickest ways to do UFB installs.

Anyone from the company care to comment? Cheers.

In the 5 installs I've overlooked within the last 2mo they were all very professionally done, this is Wellington and Nelson. I've also got a Nelson one going through "Planning" as we speak estimated to be completed around February. We also just had UFB installed in our office (in a massive multi-tenant building) where the Chorus chaps had to install a MDU in the basement and others on each floor - was a very complex install and was done very very professionally.

Now I've got a major mall in Christchurch I'm currently overseeing to get UFB installed mall-wide w/ Enable, I'll be interested to see how that goes as they're doing the whole mall in one shot (according to them).

Regardless, all goes to show you only hear about the bad installs and there are very few posts showing bad installs but you never hear about the good and professionally done ones. I'd say you've just got either a dodgy Chorus guy just wanting to do the job as quickly as possible or your LFC is just shocking ;)

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#1182577 25-Nov-2014 09:30

Thanks to the OP and posters for bringing these installation issues to our attention.

Surface-mount and above-ground ducting are perfectly acceptable (and often desirable) options when faced with expensive or difficult dig options.

Chorus don’t see these particular installations as acceptable examples of surface-mount ducting deployment.

We are working with the service company concerned to bring these installations up to our standards. We will also be highlighting these as non-compliant examples with our installation partners to ensure correct installation and deployment practices are followed in the future.

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#1182579 25-Nov-2014 09:33

michaelmurfy: In the 5 installs I've overlooked within the last 2mo they were all very professionally done, this is Wellington and Nelson. I've also got a Nelson one going through "Planning" as we speak estimated to be completed around February. We also just had UFB installed in our office (in a massive multi-tenant building) where the Chorus chaps had to install a MDU in the basement and others on each floor - was a very complex install and was done very very professionally.

Now I've got a major mall in Christchurch I'm currently overseeing to get UFB installed mall-wide w/ Enable, I'll be interested to see how that goes as they're doing the whole mall in one shot (according to them).

Regardless, all goes to show you only hear about the bad installs and there are very few posts showing bad installs but you never hear about the good and professionally done ones. I'd say you've just got either a dodgy Chorus guy just wanting to do the job as quickly as possible or your LFC is just shocking ;)

Most of the UFB install jobs that I've seen (from the road side) have looked very well executed to my eye.

I'm not out to knock Chorus or any of their subbies. I just wondered why these two particular installations that I've happened to notice in my neighbourhood are of such a lower standard than normal.

Clipping an exposed cable along a fence is just shoddy; no two ways about it. I'd think that these short term cost savings will ultimately cost more in the long term, if someone has to come back and repair or replace the cable because it was installed in such an exposed way initially.

My two cents worth.

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#1182595 25-Nov-2014 09:44

Chorusnz: Thanks to the OP and posters for bringing these installation issues to our attention.

Surface-mount and above-ground ducting are perfectly acceptable (and often desirable) options when faced with expensive or difficult dig options. Chorus don’t see these particular installations as acceptable examples of surface-mount ducting deployment. We are working with the service company concerned to bring these installations up to our standards. We will also be highlighting these as non-compliant examples with our installation partners to ensure correct installation and deployment practices are followed in the future.

^GL

Thank you for the feedback. I do appreciate that Chorus doesn't have unlimited funds to trench every installation.

Great to hear that these two install jobs aren't deemed to be acceptable examples. Cheers.

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#1191782 8-Dec-2014 20:31

Our local branch library had a UFB connection installed on their side wall (facing into an alley way) a few weeks ago. I noticed this evening that this has happened to their installation:

I don't know if this is the result of vandalism or perhaps someone has bumped a vehicle into the wall.

Anyway, I wonder if this installation should have been made more bullet proof to start with?

Should the junction box have been installed higher up on the wall?

Should metal conduit have been used?

Originally, there was a grey flexi conduit from the junction box to the vertical conduit. This has disappeared.

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#1191834 8-Dec-2014 21:40

The tagging suggests vandalism

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#1191890 9-Dec-2014 04:07

^^^ Could have been both.

I'll ask the librarians when I next go in there if they know WTF happened.

It would be more accurate to call it a service lane than an alley way.

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#1191923 9-Dec-2014 08:35

DarthKermit: Our local branch library had a UFB connection installed on their side wall (facing into an alley way) a few weeks ago. I noticed this evening that this has happened to their installation:

I don't know if this is the result of vandalism or perhaps someone has bumped a vehicle into the wall.

Anyway, I wonder if this installation should have been made more bullet proof to start with?

Should the junction box have been installed higher up on the wall?

Should metal conduit have been used?

Originally, there was a grey flexi conduit from the junction box to the vertical conduit. This has disappeared.

I tend to think steel is sometimes a bit over kill. A well secured 20mm conduit won't go to far if it is kicked. You pretty much would need a hammer to wreck it.

However, that is down an alley and the ETP has been tagged. I'm pretty sure that is vandalism. Im sure the local police that work in that block of buildings will have something to say about that.

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