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#2188174 27-Feb-2019 14:56

waikariboy:

IMHO PLEX is slowing down piracy.

Because their agile, permission-less, devops, disruptive software development model they use means it only works intermittently due to new and more interesting bugs each release?

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#2188175 27-Feb-2019 14:56

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I haven't pirated audio in years because the streaming services have pretty much all the content I'd ever want to listen to... in one place, for a reasonable price (~$15/m). That was first Pandora, and now Google Play Music.

If there was a similar offering for TV shows; available quickly, with all the content I'd watch.. then I'd happily fork out $30? $40? More, maybe? If they could have plans that included subsets of media, even better. But the idea is one place to pay. One place to view. I don't care how they spread the moolah in the background. Just make it convenient and reasonably priced.

These music services are great. Not for the writer and singer. Its peanuts, they get stuff all. If all TV and movies were $30-$40 then "I don't care how they spread the moolah in the background." There wont be any worth spreading, the creators etc etc will be doing charity work for you and me

But, I'm out of this topic its been hashed around for years.

Oh well. Status quo will continue then. Companies & market must innovate, or nothing will change.

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#2188178 27-Feb-2019 15:01

aspett:

Oh well. Status quo will continue then. Companies & market must innovate, or nothing will change.

They have. But you want them all to do it for charity. You have no excuse, but the oft "used need to innovate" doesn't really cut it. You just want it all for nix, you just need to own that, instead of passing the buck. If you passed the "buck" a bit more, then that would work :-)

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#2188179 27-Feb-2019 15:02

tdgeek:

aspett:

Oh well. Status quo will continue then. Companies & market must innovate, or nothing will change.

They have. But you want them all to do it for charity. You have no excuse, but the oft "used need to innovate" doesn't really cut it. You just want it all for nix, you just need to own that, instead of passing the buck. If you passed the "buck" a bit more, then that would work :-)

Touché, TDGeek is being reasonable helping people understand rather than defending the organisations we all equally don't want to give our money to.
There are tin arses like me who you will never convert no matter what, and that is just how we are. I'll be sailing the seven seas for a while unless something that makes it easier to get stuff over the free options. I get that...

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#2188181 27-Feb-2019 15:13

In terms of movie, I wonder if it is partly becuase tv shows are far higher quality these days and hook people in, and top actors now do TV as a result. As movies are only a couple of hours, and IMO the lack of ideas isn't great, so we end up with a lot of remakes.

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#2188219 27-Feb-2019 15:18

mattwnz:

In terms of movie, I wonder if it is partly becuase tv shows are far higher quality these days and hook people in, and top actors now do TV as a result. As movies are only a couple of hours, and IMO the lack of ideas isn't great, so we end up with a lot of remakes.

"Oh I just saw the latest Harry Potter, now we need to wait 4 years for the next one!"

Yeah nah, It is more to the tune of people wanting more regular content that keeps them involved, have you noticed how impatient people are now? You can change to any song you want, at any time. You used to have to fast forward the tape so you would generally just grin and bear the track playing or learn to like it. You know what I mean? People have not got any attention span anymore.

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#2188226 27-Feb-2019 15:39

tdgeek:

aspett:

Oh well. Status quo will continue then. Companies & market must innovate, or nothing will change.

They have. But you want them all to do it for charity. You have no excuse, but the oft "used need to innovate" doesn't really cut it. You just want it all for nix, you just need to own that, instead of passing the buck. If you passed the "buck" a bit more, then that would work :-)

Considering the provocative and accusatory nature of what you just said, I think I'm justified in saying that is some presumptuous bullshirt. It might apply to some groups of people, but not me personally.

I already pay for multiple multimedia services, I even support individual content creators through platforms like patreon. My problem is that the content I want to watch is not available on services available in New Zealand (and weren't in Canada, either). It's not a money issue to me, and I believe that there are likely many more in a similar scenario.

You can't seriously tell me it's the consumers' fault that they can't access media legally. I could spend well over $150 on Sky, Netflix, Lightbox, and whatever other services we have in NZ, and still not have access to some shows I enjoy watching..

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#2188307 27-Feb-2019 16:56

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Oh well. Status quo will continue then. Companies & market must innovate, or nothing will change.

They have. But you want them all to do it for charity. You have no excuse, but the oft "used need to innovate" doesn't really cut it. You just want it all for nix, you just need to own that, instead of passing the buck. If you passed the "buck" a bit more, then that would work :-)

Considering the provocative and accusatory nature of what you just said, I think I'm justified in saying that is some presumptuous bullshirt. It might apply to some groups of people, but not me personally.

I already pay for multiple multimedia services, I even support individual content creators through platforms like patreon. My problem is that the content I want to watch is not available on services available in New Zealand (and weren't in Canada, either). It's not a money issue to me, and I believe that there are likely many more in a similar scenario.

You can't seriously tell me it's the consumers' fault that they can't access media legally. I could spend well over $150 on Sky, Netflix, Lightbox, and whatever other services we have in NZ, and still not have access to some shows I enjoy watching..

Ok a few assumptions here. I don’t recall saying it’s the consumers fault and I fail to see how innovation will resolve the issue of content that is not available becoming available.
This topic invariably comes down to money. What it costs doesn’t equal what I feel is reasonable. I think a high spec tv at $5000 is high, but I know why so I won’t offer $750 for it

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#2188311 27-Feb-2019 17:01

I didn't need to stop pirating as I never started in the first place. I believe that creators are entitled to payment be it music, film, software or cars.

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#2188317 27-Feb-2019 17:10

tdgeek:

Ok a few assumptions here. I don’t recall saying it’s the consumers fault and I fail to see how innovation will resolve the issue of content that is not available becoming available.
This topic invariably comes down to money. What it costs doesn’t equal what I feel is reasonable. I think a high spec tv at $5000 is high, but I know why so I won’t offer $750 for it

It doesn't come down to money when the content is not delivered regardless of how much money someone is willing to pay.

Also your comparison should be more like; There's a market for $750 TVs, but Samsung only makes $5000 TVs and they can't show TV1 and TV3, then they wonder why everyone is buying $750 TVs which can.

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#2188320 27-Feb-2019 17:30

aspett:
tdgeek:

Ok a few assumptions here. I don’t recall saying it’s the consumers fault and I fail to see how innovation will resolve the issue of content that is not available becoming available.
This topic invariably comes down to money. What it costs doesn’t equal what I feel is reasonable. I think a high spec tv at $5000 is high, but I know why so I won’t offer $750 for it

It doesn't come down to money when the content is not delivered regardless of how much money someone is willing to pay.

Also your comparison should be more like; There's a market for $750 TVs, but Samsung only makes $5000 TVs and they can't show TV1 and TV3, then they wonder why everyone is buying $750 TVs which can.

That’s a bad analogy! If the ONLY issue is content that is not available here on your Sky, Netflix Lightbox Neon Amazon and Hulu and Curiostystream and any others that you pay for then yes that’s fair :-)

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#2188330 27-Feb-2019 17:52

aspett:

Lias:

Who the hell did they interview lol, because _noone_ I know has stopped pirating because of Netflix.. most have _reduced_ their piracy because of it, but as soon as something they want to see isn't on Netflix (or Lightbox or whatever else they subscribe to), they will pirate it..

Pretty much this. No one wants to subscribe to 4 different streaming platforms, and even if they do, those major ones probably won't cover all the popular content you want to watch. If they really want to put a dent in piracy, there needs to be a larger aggregate service..

Christ, people are never happy. Sky has most stuff "it's too expensive" blah blah, now the competition has turned up, streaming services are everywhere, but as predicted by anyone without an Ax to grind, it means fragmentation and for the forseeable future, you are going to see more of it.

When those standalone streamers can't make money, they will be acquired by the bigger more profitable ones (Or in some cases little ones will buy bigger ones (Disney buys Netflix for example). Now people are whining "now I have to pay 4 services $15"

Bottom line is most people expect they can get everything for $20 through one service.

It's infuriating.

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#2188331 27-Feb-2019 17:57

aspett:

It doesn't come down to money when the content is not delivered regardless of how much money someone is willing to pay.

I am 100% certain if you offer them $1,00,000 a month to deliver the service to you, they will happily oblige. What specific content are you not being "allowed" to legally see? Have you contacted the rights holders to let them know your interest?

Like in most things, the volume we do in NZ of anything is TINY. Setting up in a new region isn't insignificant, no matter what you might think. Say 1000 people subscribe to the service you are saying you can't get, or 2000, and they are prepared to pay $20 a month, the baseline cost of getting that service here is going to be so overwhelmingly huge, they just won't even consider it.

BTW, it's not your God given right to see and access whatever content you want. The content rights holders decide who gets to see it, you could always move to a country that they do provide rights to it.

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#2188340 27-Feb-2019 18:14

networkn:

aspett:

It doesn't come down to money when the content is not delivered regardless of how much money someone is willing to pay.

I am 100% certain if you offer them $1,00,000 a month to deliver the service to you, they will happily oblige. What specific content are you not being "allowed" to legally see? Have you contacted the rights holders to let them know your interest?

Like in most things, the volume we do in NZ of anything is TINY. Setting up in a new region isn't insignificant, no matter what you might think. Say 1000 people subscribe to the service you are saying you can't get, or 2000, and they are prepared to pay $20 a month, the baseline cost of getting that service here is going to be so overwhelmingly huge, they just won't even consider it.

BTW, it's not your God given right to see and access whatever content you want. The content rights holders decide who gets to see it, you could always move to a country that they do provide rights to it.

Look, I get where you're coming from, but,

We live in a global market, and companies need to do better at providing their services globally. If they don't want our money, then perhaps they should not complain when they don't get our money?

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#2188343 27-Feb-2019 18:22

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It doesn't come down to money when the content is not delivered regardless of how much money someone is willing to pay.

I am 100% certain if you offer them $1,00,000 a month to deliver the service to you, they will happily oblige. What specific content are you not being "allowed" to legally see? Have you contacted the rights holders to let them know your interest?

Like in most things, the volume we do in NZ of anything is TINY. Setting up in a new region isn't insignificant, no matter what you might think. Say 1000 people subscribe to the service you are saying you can't get, or 2000, and they are prepared to pay $20 a month, the baseline cost of getting that service here is going to be so overwhelmingly huge, they just won't even consider it.

BTW, it's not your God given right to see and access whatever content you want. The content rights holders decide who gets to see it, you could always move to a country that they do provide rights to it.

Look, I get where you're coming from, but,

We live in a global market, and companies need to do better at providing their services globally. If they don't want our money, then perhaps they should not complain when they don't get our money?

So what if we live in a Global Market? This doesn't mean everything is available everywhere automatically.

If I don't provide my services to someone in Turkey, I don't expect them to steal those services from me. It's my service and I may not have the time and ability to service customers that far away.

Are the rights holders complaining they don't get your money? I doubt it. This doesn't mean you have any right to take what belongs to them for free.

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