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raytaylor

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#3129918 20-Sep-2023 20:02

Vindy500:

I'd be very interested to know what infrastructure they don't think is up to scratch,

Ours certainly is

I am going to suggest its the CDN nodes - in other countries being able to get gigabit is just a new thing and even then your still gonna be a long distance from a CDN node - where as here we expect everything to be uncongested.

The commerce commission cant even understand gigabit and tcp overhead or fiberX so i doubt they would understand an ISP selling an 8gbit service and no content providers being able to serve up traffic consistently at that speed.

Remember to serve up the traffic consistently for an ISP serving customers, they would be needing to supply 50gbits+ reliably whenever demanded - eg. a game release.

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#3129958 20-Sep-2023 23:47

Why not just make a layer 3 variant of HYPERFIBRE where authentication, CDNs and basic Internet connectivity is provided by Chorus/LFC (like wholesale FWA), RSP can provide helpdesk support, exclusive content or hosting specialist content VPN for gaming etc.. would make it easier on smaller ISPs.

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#3130024 21-Sep-2023 09:46

yitz:

Why not just make a layer 3 variant of HYPERFIBRE where authentication, CDNs and basic Internet connectivity is provided by Chorus/LFC (like wholesale FWA), RSP can provide helpdesk support, exclusive content or hosting specialist content VPN for gaming etc.. would make it easier on smaller ISPs.

I dont think chorus would want to get into that. Also they are not allowed to sell internet services, dark fiber or ethernet services that link points between exchanges, a handover to an end user point, and rackspace.

They do have a partnership with Auckland IX where they deliver services for auckland ix to ISPs around the country in chorus exchanges.
So to get speeds capable of saturating a regional hyperfibre connection, it would be up to the CDN operators to lease rackspace in the chorus exchanges, buy a connection to IX and then use that rackspace to serve up end users via isps also colocated there.
For most CDN operators there just isnt much point in that monthly expense for something that only has a perceived benefit for ~12 hours a month or when one or two people want to download something. The CDN operators can just continue to serve up traffic from auckland or a couple of other places around the country.

It wouldnt surprise me though if spark or vocus have a few CDN nodes around the country that they host on behalf of the CDN operators.

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#3130095 21-Sep-2023 11:34

CDN nodes should be up to scratch for most reasonably sized RSPs. Bear in mind that CDNs have multiple purposes, and delivering the ultimate burst speed to users is at least #3 on the list of importance.

1) Brilliant interactive and streaming performance. You want your Youtube/NF videos to start instantly and not buffer. This needs a small burst of bandwidth, but it's honestly not that much.

2) Delivers traffic locally to 100 users and only brings it in from Intl once. CDNs save RSPs money and improve user experience

3) huge downloads for games etc... Interestingly though for something like Steam, the CPU impact of downloading at even gig is substantial - it's likely most PCs couldn't even handle an 8G HF download - EVEN IF their networking was up to scratch.

There are other things that are barriers to Hyperfibre uptake - and I think you'll find the bigger RSPs are paying more attention to preparing their networks before launching than some of the smaller RSPs.

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#3130420 22-Sep-2023 11:04

Fuzzi9986:

danfaulknor:

Hyperfibre 2/4 is available in all UFB areas now as far as I know. It's just 8G that is harder to get

Available in all CHORUS areas now, Enable is still within the 4 Aves only with no eta for anywhere else they cover, and other LFCs I'm not 100% sure on.

Available in all Tuatahi UFB1 areas now (eg Hamilton, Tauranga) and rolling out to Tuatahi UFB 2 areas (eg Omokoroa, Huntly) over the next year or so.

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#3135518 27-Sep-2023 15:14

Chorus have released an update on the 8Gbps HyperFibre footprint expansion.

As part of our efforts to continue to scale Hyperfibre and optimise the Chorus network, we are continuing to upgrade exchange equipment (POLTs) with 100G backhaul so that we can offer Hyperfibre 8000 in more areas.

As of 19 September 2023, we can now offer Hyperfibre 8000 in the following 18 exchanges in addition to the 44 exchanges that already had this capability. This means that there are now 62 exchanges in total where you can order Hyperfibre 8000. A full list can be found here.

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#3135545 27-Sep-2023 16:19

Anarkist:

Chorus have released an update on the 8Gbps HyperFibre footprint expansion.

I was actually hoping my update on Automated Feasibility would get the attention, we completed a Hyperfibre upgrade in less than 24 hours today off the back of that :)

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#3135549 27-Sep-2023 16:29

After my original Comment that got many +1's on page 1. I am now on Hyperfibre 4000. I am getting a pretty sweet deal on it. Need it for work for testing as that is what we do, find ways to utilize it.

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#3135559 27-Sep-2023 16:51

darylblake:

After my original Comment that got many +1's on page 1. I am now on Hyperfibre 4000. I am getting a pretty sweet deal on it. Need it for work for testing as that is what we do, find ways to utilize it.

Honestly, if I were you I'd go for HF 2Gbps. I have the 4Gbps and aside from a speed test to an ISP hosted server, I haven't seen greater than ~2Gbps throughput doing anything. I'm going to look at moving back down.

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#3135560 27-Sep-2023 16:54

Vindy500:

I was actually hoping my update on Automated Feasibility would get the attention, we completed a Hyperfibre upgrade in less than 24 hours today off the back of that :)

That would have been great for me, as I had to wait ~3 weeks for a 15 minute Chorus tech visit to come and swap over the ONT for me. Then I had to wait another ~24 hours while the ISP swapped it from RWG to bridge mode (which I'd requested more than once during the sales process).

I will say though, I really dislike the Nokia XS-250WX-A ONT. It's huge so it can't be mounted in my wall cabinet where the old ONT came out of, not to mention it uses a tonne of power in comparison. Do you know if we'll be able to request a swap once the new HF ONTs (ref) are available?

I also would love an ONT that had an SFP+ port so I can use a multi-mode fibre optic and not burn the power/heat on the 10G BASE-T SFP+ module.

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#3135561 27-Sep-2023 16:56

And we have come full circle to my original point as to why I have hyperfibre. As I develop the following product.

Can get nearly full speed on 4Gbps H/F to the USA and Europe on H/F. Single stream.

https://www.veed.io/view/f7076b0a-e776-42ab-b1a4-98f760aa9445?panel=share

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