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#3093055 21-Jun-2023 15:11

akmodi:

Could someone post the Mikrotik setup for their Hyperfibre in place of the Nokia GW.

Not the thread for this also you need to use the Nokia ONT, you can't replace this with the Mikrotik.

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#3093106 21-Jun-2023 16:43

Fixing the windows TCP/IP stack often does tons to improve performance...

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#3093107 21-Jun-2023 16:44

Cool. Thanks

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#3093602 22-Jun-2023 17:54

amanzi:

@timwelch - I'm selling a Mikrotik RB5009 if you're interested. It has a 2.5Gbps WAN port.

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=77&topicid=305947

I literally received one of these this week. Can highly recommend! Not only does it have a 2.5Gbps port it has a 10Gbps SFP+ port.

Will definitely handle 1Gbps upstream over PPPoE.

Definitely not quite "plug and play", however with a bit of patience and reading its not that difficult.

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#3093607 22-Jun-2023 18:12

Thanks @nzkc and @amanzi but I find it very hard to believe that the only router you can get decent speeds out of PPPoE on HyperFibre is a MikroTek.

Although I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that no-one else has.

Not to mention I already have a significant investment in a UDM Pro that was working perfectly fine with Orcon's DHCP.

I've been in IT over 30 years and generally, with a bit of documentation, I can get sh*t working but there seems be precious little info around getting PPPoE going on any devices other than 20 year dial-up or slower fibre where it "just works".

I'm currently in the middle of getting a Debian Live boot image working directly to the ONT for testing but even setting the MTU correctly on this appears to be obscure.

Currently messing with pppconf and its associated config files... 😒 Any pointers greatly appreciated.

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#3093609 22-Jun-2023 18:15

timwelch:

Thanks @nzkc and @amanzi but I find it very hard to believe that the only router you can get decent speeds out of PPPoE on HyperFibre is a MikroTek.

I'd agree with this assertion. However; if you want an "above average" router (far above) I can recommend the RB5009.

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#3093610 22-Jun-2023 18:24

Globally "hyper fibre" is very niche product. There is not a lot of demand for a router to do 1Gbps+ especially in the residential market. So typically you are looking at more enterprise level products

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#3093775 23-Jun-2023 08:38

Purely to document my methodology and just incase someone has some pointers...

Downloaded latest Debian Live CD ISO and blew to a USB drive with Universal USB Installer.
Booted my PC on it (AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with 32Gb RAM, TP-Link TX401 10Gb NIC)
Downloaded\installed Net-Tools with sudo apt install net-tools
Downloaded\installed pppoeconf with sudo apt install pppoeconf.
Downloaded\installed speedtest cli as per their site instructions.
Plugged the NIC directly into the ONT and ran pppoeconf to configure the pppoe link. (it's pretty self explanatory but I selected *not* to clamp MSS)
Changed the MTU on the main ethernet interface with ifconfig enp4s0 mtu 1518 up
Bought the PPP connection up with pon dsl-provider

At this point I checked the connection speed and MTU on both the interface and ppp connection

{sudo cat /sys/class/net/enp4s0/speed
10000

enp4s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1518 qdisc mq state UP group default qlen 1000
link/ether 60:32:b1:06:ec:21 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

ppp0: <POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST,NOARP,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UNKNOWN group default qlen 3
link/ppp
inet xxx.xxx.xxx.70 peer xxx.xxx.xxx.34/32 scope global ppp0
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 fe80::b0ab:1acb:48fe:1e93 peer fe80::f0:a87/128 scope link
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever}

And then ran a speedtest with these results.

{Speedtest by Ookla

Server: Vetta Online - Christchurch (id: 42535)
ISP: Vetta Online
Idle Latency: 56.27 ms (jitter: 0.71ms, low: 55.57ms, high: 57.82ms)
Download: 1843.06 Mbps (data used: 2.6 GB)
172.10 ms (jitter: 57.92ms, low: 56.79ms, high: 1215.06ms)
Upload: 135.41 Mbps (data used: 247.9 MB)
85.35 ms (jitter: 12.53ms, low: 55.91ms, high: 419.05ms)
Packet Loss: Not available.
Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/d5dfc77d-aa00-4373-bf1a-e0a78b414705 }

The result is what I've seen on my UDM Pro, my R6S and this PC multiple times. The download is as expected and the upload sucks.

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#3093780 23-Jun-2023 08:49

That’s a lot of latency! In both directions, but particularly upstream.
Can you PM me the serial number on your ONT? It’s on the bottom and starts with ALCL.

I probably can’t drill down to a root cause from what I can see at Layer 2 on the Chorus side, but I’d like to have a look and make sure everything is as it should be.

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#3093785 23-Jun-2023 09:00

timwelch:

Thanks @nzkc and @amanzi but I find it very hard to believe that the only router you can get decent speeds out of PPPoE on HyperFibre is a MikroTek.

Although I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that no-one else has.

So, the normal RGW (Residential gateway) vendor's are all working on bringing out "affordable" HF capable devices and some will be available by the end of the year. I know there are Nokia and Casa (Netcomm) products about to drop, at least for the 2.5G range. There are higher end TP-Link mesh products that can do the 2.5G now (BE-85/95) but these will run you 1-2K. The thing to remember is though, internet at above 1G speeds to the end user is a very niche product that is available in very few places in the world and the chipsets to sustain above gig throughput NAT are not readily available at ultra low cost compared to gig speeds. There is very little call on the general market for these ultra high speed RGW's so its not high on the priority list, high throughput mesh wifi has been a much higher priority for manufacturers and that is fair enough. So the HF product has stepped significantly ahead of the world market and this is how it is for the next 6 to 18 months.

As it stands Mikrotik produces the best products at the best prices for this niche and good on them for meeting the demand when others don't. The MIkrotik is incredibly powerful for the pricepoint and this is why most smaller ISP's use them.

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#3093888 23-Jun-2023 10:16

BMarquis: That’s a lot of latency! In both directions, but particularly upstream.
Can you PM me the serial number on your ONT? It’s on the bottom and starts with ALCL.

I probably can’t drill down to a root cause from what I can see at Layer 2 on the Chorus side, but I’d like to have a look and make sure everything is as it should be.

PM Sent - much appreciated.

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#3094256 23-Jun-2023 22:56

timwelch:

Changed the MTU on the main ethernet interface with ifconfig enp4s0 mtu 1518 up

I do not know how Hyperfibre is configured, but an MTU of 1518 for the Ethernet behind a PPPoE connection does not seem right. The PPPoE overhead is only 8 bytes, so for a PPP MTU of 1500, the Ethernet (and VLAN 10 if it is used) should be set to MTU 1508. On normal 1 Gbit/s fibre connections, the fibre side is overprovisioned by 8 bytes to allow for this (MTU 1508), but if you are really sending 1518 byte packets, it should not work unless Hyperfibre is overprovisioned by18 bytes (MTU 1518).

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#3094275 24-Jun-2023 07:31

You don't need an extra 4 bytes for the VLAN header?

I would have thought:

PPPoE 1500
VLAN10 1508
Ethernet 1512

or for an untagged connection:

PPPoE 1500
Ethernet 1508

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#3094278 24-Jun-2023 08:03

Ideally…
PPP payload = 1500B
+PPPoE (8B) = 1508B
+Ethernet (14B) = 1522B
+VLAN (4B) = 1526B

However, I think quic are untagged (no vlan on customer side), so the last 4B are not needed.
So depending on RSP the MTU is 1522 or 1526.

If the PPP implementation you are using doesn’t allow for 1500B payload, then the starting point above is 1492 making the MTU 1514(untagged) or 1518 (with VLAN)

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#3094279 24-Jun-2023 08:13

BMarquis: Ideally…
PPP payload = 1500B
+PPPoE (8B) = 1508B
+Ethernet (14B) = 1522B
+VLAN (4B) = 1526B

However, I think quic are untagged (no vlan on customer side), so the last 4B are not needed.
So depending on RSP the MTU is 1522 or 1526.

If the PPP implementation you are using doesn’t allow for 1500B payload, then the starting point above is 1492 making the MTU 1514(untagged) or 1518 (with VLAN)

This is a super helpful explanation that I was struggling to find elsewhere!

Smokeping

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