HyperFibre and PPPoE

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timwelch

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#305996 19-Jun-2023 11:48

Do you have HyperFibre and a PPPoE connection to your ISP?

Do you get greater than 1GB/s Upload speed?

If so, can you please detail what router you are using and if you are using a specific configuration setting to achieve this? MTU Settings etc?

The reason I am asking this in a separate thread is that I have attempted this with two different routers and two different ISPs - going around and around in circles with various configurations trying to achieve reasonable upload speeds whereas I had symmetrical 2GB/s speeds previously with Orcon's HyperFibre and a DHCP connection. (Yes, yes, I have regrets)

I have both a UniFi UDM Pro (which I'm now well aware of it hating PPPoE connections and modifying its MTU settings), and a NanoPi R6S which I can easily modify MTU but I'm not having any luck achieving uploads over 450MB/s

Despite multiple hours on this I've not seen anyone detail that they actually have this working in NZ, or details of how they have achieved it.

Any insight gratefully appreciated.

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#3091987 19-Jun-2023 13:26

Who is your current ISP?

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timwelch

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#3092009 19-Jun-2023 14:15

boosacnoodle:

Who is your current ISP?

Do you have HyperFibre with a PPPoE connection?

RunningMan

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#3092016 19-Jun-2023 14:32

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=262219&page_no=26#2732431

@noroad getting 3.7Gb/s upload on a PPPoE connection with a Mikrotik RB4011.

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#3092018 19-Jun-2023 14:43

Hyperfibre is difficult and many routers just simply don't support it. The Dream machine is one of those routers that won't route Hyperfibre over PPPoE (it at one stage struggled with even Gigabit). Not sure about the NanoPi but the biggest problem is PPPoE on *nix is often single threaded so if there isn't hardware offloading capacity then you may struggle a bit. I've only personally seen Mikrotiks work nicely with Hyperfibre but I don't recommend those routers to your general average joe due to how complex they are.

There are other things such as what service you're uploading to etc too.

But really I understand the need for Hyperfibre for a few people but for the majority Gigabit is more than enough and is also easier to work with on a router level.

Sorry I am not much more help but it is unfortunately more of a niche over something that a bunch of people use. If you want your Dream Machine to work a bit better with a Hyperfibre service then go back to Orcon and wait for your current ISP to finally get IPoE (DHCP) support.

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boosacnoodle

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#3092035 19-Jun-2023 15:25

timwelch:

boosacnoodle:

Who is your current ISP?

Do you have HyperFibre with a PPPoE connection?

Do you want help?

RunningMan

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#3092089 19-Jun-2023 15:47

timwelch:[snip] not having any luck achieving uploads over 450MB/s

That's pretty close to the limit for a 4000/4000 connection, what speed is your connection?

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#3092091 19-Jun-2023 15:56

RunningMan:

timwelch:[snip] not having any luck achieving uploads over 450MB/s

That's pretty close to the limit for a 4000/4000 connection, what speed is your connection?

I'm assuming the OP has got his GB/Gb and MB/Mb mixed up...

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#3092092 19-Jun-2023 15:59

@timwelch - I'm selling a Mikrotik RB5009 if you're interested. It has a 2.5Gbps WAN port.

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=77&topicid=305947

timwelch

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Master Geek

#3092093 19-Jun-2023 16:07

michaelmurfy:

Hyperfibre is difficult and many routers just simply don't support it.

I feel like this quote should be front and foremost of the page of every ISP offering Hyperfibre; especially those trying to do it with PPPoE

timwelch

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#3092095 19-Jun-2023 16:10

RunningMan:

timwelch:[snip] not having any luck achieving uploads over 450MB/s

That's pretty close to the limit for a 4000/4000 connection, what speed is your connection?

I thought I'd checked https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=67618 carefully first but obviously not.

RunningMan

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#3092097 19-Jun-2023 16:10

amanzi:

I'm assuming the OP has got his GB/Gb and MB/Mb mixed up...

Possibly, but until that's confirmed, there may or may not actually be an issue with the connection.

timwelch

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#3092100 19-Jun-2023 16:13

boosacnoodle:

Do you want help?

What I'd really like is verification that there people out there are actually using it, and it working well for them and, if so, what config they are using.

So far I seem to link to a guy who once had it going in 2021

timwelch

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#3092101 19-Jun-2023 16:16

RunningMan:

amanzi:

I'm assuming the OP has got his GB/Gb and MB/Mb mixed up...

Possibly, but until that's confirmed, there may or may not actually be an issue with the connection.

I have a 2000/2000 plan where I can only get a max upload of 450

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#3092105 19-Jun-2023 16:26

timwelch:

I have a 2000/2000 plan where I can only get a max upload of 450

kbps? mbps? gbps? MB/s?

units matter

RunningMan

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#3092107 19-Jun-2023 16:28

Well, given that, and the report getting double the upload of your connection (i.e. close to 4000 Mb/s) over PPPoE suggests it's possible to do. It's not common though, so don't expect too many more data points for comparison.

As @michaelmurfy points out, PPPoE can be very processor intensive for a router - there's plenty of routers that struggle with that load and wouldn't saturate a 1 Gb/s port, let alone more than that. Putting the UDM to one side, is the R6S capable of that throughput over PPPoE? A brief Google search couldn't confirm either way, but just because a router has 2.5Gb/s (or greater) ports, doesn't mean it can saturate them under all conditions.

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