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kyhwana2

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#430342 23-Jan-2011 21:56

leaplae: So when will telecom hand out new v6 Modems/routers?

You'd have to get someone from Telecom to answer that :)

Beccara

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#430344 23-Jan-2011 21:59

Ha! Not for a while, I'm not even sure Telecom has a v6 team together or a game plan on v6.

I'm fully expecting Telecom to go the CGN route and bump business prices up along with dynamic-only residential IP's. Regional players and smaller ISP's will be first, It's easier since depending on the size a 1 man team and a couple of weeks could do it, Then I'd expect to see ISP's like xnet and orcon deploy as they have historical been pretty fast on the tech. The Telstra/Telecom will likly have to be pulled screaming and kicking into v6 due to their size and complexity, The cost to them would be huge

Zeon

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#430345 23-Jan-2011 22:01

The biggest problem with IPv6 seems to be a lack of support for it in many routing platforms. Virtually all current on-the-market home routers don't support it and won't in the forseable future.

I have IPv6 at home via Xnet DSL (/48 subnet) but while my router (DD-WRT) can do it, my modem is half bridge and can't. I need a fully bridged modem like a Draytek or media converter.

We are getting a /48 at work for both our datacenter subnet and office subnet this week (with Orcon) and we are using Pfsense (also doesn't support it). I'll try out Vyatta just to do some IPv6 routing experiments.

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DonGould

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#430346 23-Jan-2011 22:03

Will those routers that Telcom give out do half bridge mode? My current thinking for ppl is just whack a router behind them with a he.net tunnel.

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Zeon

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#430347 23-Jan-2011 22:04

DonGould: Will those routers that Telcom give out do half bridge mode? My current thinking for ppl is just whack a router behind them with a he.net tunnel.

Tunneling is not the answer! Seriously, send all my traffic to the US and back and pay through the nose with it and suffer terrible performance, great.....

It's funny more stuff support complicated tunneling rather than just stock standard IPv6 routing.

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Beccara

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#430348 23-Jan-2011 22:05

Yeah the CPE support is shocking right now, Hopefully Cisco and D-Link put out upgrades to routers made in the past 12 months. I wouldnt expect to see a whole bunch of v6 routers at DSE for another 6-18 months tho

kyhwana2

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#430350 23-Jan-2011 22:09

Zeon:

Tunneling is not the answer! Seriously, send all my traffic to the US and back and pay through the nose with it and suffer terrible performance, great.....

It's funny more stuff support complicated tunneling rather than just stock standard IPv6 routing.

Are you aware there is a SIXXs POP based in wellington, hosted by ACS?
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DonGould

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#430351 23-Jan-2011 22:09

You can tunnel a bit closer than .us if you want to.

My observation so far is that tunnels are the easy solution and have a truck loads of advantages.

I'm on tc.nz and they don't seem to be able to make their new erx stable at present... what chance do I have of seeing v6 anytime soon?

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Beccara

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#430352 23-Jan-2011 22:12

What do you think's going to happen to alot of POP's if all of a sudden you have 10x or even 100x increase in people using it?

You think ACS is going to keep running a free POP when they are pushing 50mbit or 100mbit of V6 tunnels coming from APE/WIX/TCL/TNZ??

The only time I've ever used tunnels apart from back when I was playing around with v6 was to jump over gear that couldn't handle v6 that I couldn't replace

DonGould

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#430353 23-Jan-2011 22:20

Yip, it will break.

But 45k hand overs in dsl doesn't excite me to move off hfc.

The real answer is to get connected to fibre, which runs past my door, but there seem to be some problems with that idea.

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Beccara

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#430354 23-Jan-2011 22:25

Can't blame you on that one :P

Telstra will get their ERX sorted, Juniper are PITA slow at JunOs bug. We had an interface bug on a small J4300 we had on a branch at the old place I worked at. Interface would flap and bgp would stall still a manual reboot. Was a known bug according to Juniper but still took 5 months to get a fix no matter how much money we threw at them.

That said I've seen McD's hamburger grow mold fast than I've seen Telstra move somtimes

engedib

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#431053 25-Jan-2011 15:12

Beccara: Yeah the CPE support is shocking right now, Hopefully Cisco and D-Link put out upgrades to routers made in the past 12 months. I wouldnt expect to see a whole bunch of v6 routers at DSE for another 6-18 months tho

Installed a Cisco RV120W for a customer about 2 weeks ago, it has got full IPv6 support, pretty sure that the other models of this range can do the same:

http://www.cisco.com/cisco/web/solutions/small_business/products/routers_switches/small_business_routers/index.html

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wjw

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#431156 25-Jan-2011 20:07

This is the latest RIPE survey of ISP's re CPE's:

http://labs.ripe.net/Members/mirjam/ipv6-cpe-survey-updated-january-2011

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