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#163341 9-Sep-2008 17:13

As CoffeeBaron says old gear that is still within service life is being redployed (as its removed for ADSL2+ upgrades) to expand areas that currently have little or no broadband currently, typically these would be cabinets but of an older generation.

Personally if I were in a remote area and went from nothing to something I dont think I would complain if it was not this years model.

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#163345 9-Sep-2008 17:32

Line Mode G.DMT Line State Show Time
Latency Type Interleave Line Up Time 00:09:17:14
Line Coding Trellis On Line Up Count 1

I'm no expert in interpreting it all but I'm just on ADSL and if they were reusing the older cabinets it's likely that's what we have here.

I'm not complaining now actually. I did plenty of complaining though for 5 and a half years to Telecom while all I could get was crappy dial up here. I rewarded Telecom for finally giving us BB access by signing up with a competitor on the day broadband became available and have never looked back. :)

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#163352 9-Sep-2008 17:50

Ya better start you next 5 1/2 years campaign now, so you can get ADSL2+, when everyone else is on VDSL or fibre to home lol
Anyway, your not the only one with these battles. We still have them in the big city. Got several places that still have no broadband or really bad broadband. At least some of those areas are now on the cabinetise list, but still 2-3 years away :(

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#163359 9-Sep-2008 19:27

cyril7: Hi, there are two cabinets near HoraHora to be upgraded, one about now and another early next year. Maybe the one you have seen your not on, there are around 250 lines on both cabinets that get upgraded, or maybe the work is only partially complete.

If you are on a Telecom phone line, as opposed to a Vodaphone or Orcon LLU line, which you have no way of being outside of certain Auckland suburbs at this time, then you are a Chorus customer. Chorus is the new company thats been seperated out of Telecom that has ownership of all the Telecom local copper.

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Further to this, I was driving to work this morning and noticed the chorus guys working in the new cabinet. Came home tonight and checked my connection. I've gone from a pretty tragic 2200ks line connection to 7600ks and my downstream attenuation has dropped from a massive 58DB to 7, Upstream is 2.
I can also now connect with adsl2+, but seems to make no difference in connection speed. I'm on 128up f/s down. Is it worth going fs/fs??

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#163390 9-Sep-2008 22:44

dgashby: AFAIK 8/5/2008 is the date Chorus published or compiled the data. For details of a particular cabinet you need to cross-reference the cabinet ID with the spreadsheet also available on the Chorus site.

Can't you just put that in ya database, go on, your a smart guy :-)

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#163392 9-Sep-2008 22:47

Vorbis:
Further to this, I was driving to work this morning and noticed the chorus guys working in the new cabinet. Came home tonight and checked my connection. I've gone from a pretty tragic 2200ks line connection to 7600ks and my downstream attenuation has dropped from a massive 58DB to 7, Upstream is 2.
I can also now connect with adsl2+, but seems to make no difference in connection speed. I'm on 128up f/s down. Is it worth going fs/fs??

Your 128kbps upload will limit the throughput on your connection significantly. To get the full speeds, you are better off going for a full speed/full speed plan.

However, it would still be limited to what you are syncing at. Just out of interest, are you using a dlink?

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#163394 9-Sep-2008 22:51

Vorbis:
cyril7: Hi, there are two cabinets near HoraHora to be upgraded, one about now and another early next year. Maybe the one you have seen your not on, there are around 250 lines on both cabinets that get upgraded, or maybe the work is only partially complete.

If you are on a Telecom phone line, as opposed to a Vodaphone or Orcon LLU line, which you have no way of being outside of certain Auckland suburbs at this time, then you are a Chorus customer. Chorus is the new company thats been seperated out of Telecom that has ownership of all the Telecom local copper.

Cyril

Further to this, I was driving to work this morning and noticed the chorus guys working in the new cabinet. Came home tonight and checked my connection. I've gone from a pretty tragic 2200ks line connection to 7600ks and my downstream attenuation has dropped from a massive 58DB to 7, Upstream is 2.
I can also now connect with adsl2+, but seems to make no difference in connection speed. I'm on 128up f/s down. Is it worth going fs/fs??

What modem? I suggest updating your firmware, are you sure your line mode is ADSL2+ not G.DMT/ADSL1? around 8000kb/s is the limit of what ADSL1 can do, so its a bit suspicious if you get almost that with such good attenuation, which should give you about double.

Also theoretically FS/128 limits you to 4000kb/s, though its possible to make 5000 i think, but only just and depending where you download from.

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#163407 9-Sep-2008 23:27

I'm on the limited 128 Up/FS Down with Orcon and I have managed to get a bit better than the theoretical limits
doing some speedtests. I have just a basic ADSL line as I've said earlier.

As an example:

I'm not sure how accurate the speedtests are though so I guess I have to take those figures with a grain of salt.

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#163411 9-Sep-2008 23:38

eXDee:
Vorbis:
cyril7: Hi, there are two cabinets near HoraHora to be upgraded, one about now and another early next year. Maybe the one you have seen your not on, there are around 250 lines on both cabinets that get upgraded, or maybe the work is only partially complete.

If you are on a Telecom phone line, as opposed to a Vodaphone or Orcon LLU line, which you have no way of being outside of certain Auckland suburbs at this time, then you are a Chorus customer. Chorus is the new company thats been seperated out of Telecom that has ownership of all the Telecom local copper.

Cyril

Further to this, I was driving to work this morning and noticed the chorus guys working in the new cabinet. Came home tonight and checked my connection. I've gone from a pretty tragic 2200ks line connection to 7600ks and my downstream attenuation has dropped from a massive 58DB to 7, Upstream is 2.
I can also now connect with adsl2+, but seems to make no difference in connection speed. I'm on 128up f/s down. Is it worth going fs/fs??

What modem? I suggest updating your firmware, are you sure your line mode is ADSL2+ not G.DMT/ADSL1? around 8000kb/s is the limit of what ADSL1 can do, so its a bit suspicious if you get almost that with such good attenuation, which should give you about double.

Also theoretically FS/128 limits you to 4000kb/s, though its possible to make 5000 i think, but only just and depending where you download from.

I'm on a linksys wag200. Although I didn't expect faster speeds with adsl2+ because of my fs/128, I would have thought the line speed would have been a fair bit higher than G.DMT.

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#163768 11-Sep-2008 13:37

exportgoldman:
dgashby: AFAIK 8/5/2008 is the date Chorus published or compiled the data. For details of a particular cabinet you need to cross-reference the cabinet ID with the spreadsheet also available on the Chorus site.

Can't you just put that in ya database, go on, your a smart guy :-)

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#163842 11-Sep-2008 19:49

PlannedCabinet_7_5_2008_coverage
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[GEOMETRY]
CABINET
TRV/N [2]
WHEN
1/01/2009
EXCHCODE
TRV
EXCHNAME
Te Rapa
CEASE
1/01/2009
STATUS
Binding
MPFS
303
WORK
Loop shortening plus ADSL2+
CHANGES
TYPE
Single Bay

What Does all this mean? Because this particular cabinet has been installed and the Chorus vans have left. The date you give is January 2009? Is this the date they turn it on?...LOL...I'm such a noob.

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#163878 11-Sep-2008 22:45

When I open that kml file, I just get yellow blobs over all of auckland, whats it supposed to do?

edit: tried again and it worked. After a few mins and telling me that its outlines only because of my graphics card... Oh well. Still says 2011 till I get non suck speeds :( grrr

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#163919 12-Sep-2008 07:19

At around 4:25 Tuesday afternoon...my internet connection went out for about 3 or 4 minutes. When I did get connected again I noticed how fast the web-pages were opening up...just like the good ole Orcon days. I thought crikey steve...I better give this thing a speedtest to Chicago where my gaming Server is located.....WOW! LOOK at my speed !
LOOK!

I wasn't quite convinced so I plugged in my Joystick and off I went to Chicago and WOW!

NO LATENCY! and my ping was back where it used to be at 204, 205, and peaked no higher than 210.

Now I checked my Line speed etc. on Monday beforehand and got this result.....

After my increased speed on Tuesday I did it again and got this result.....

Now my question is...What has changed? Comparing these results shows me a big reduction in the Noise Margin. I have also noticed it states my Line Mode is ADSL2+ ???? I don't have ADSL2+ I live in Hamilton! What does all this stuff mean? Also the Chorus vans look like they have finished installing the roadside cabinet on my street corner...Could this have had an affect on better speeds and less latency?? Whatever happened yesterday fixed my Orcon problem which has persisted for the last 5 months. How do I get ADSL2+ ????????
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#163921 12-Sep-2008 07:52

Well going by all the Chorus docs it doesn't look like TRV/N [2] is scheduled to be upgraded until 1/1/2009, it doesn't feature on the cabinet migration schedule which from what I can tell is the most accurate short-term forecast of what Chorus are up to.

It would be interesting to hear from someone at Chorus about how long it takes to physically upgrade a cabinet. There must be quite a few steps that they need to go through from running fibre to the cabinet, installing the new cabinets, and re-wiring all the phone lines.

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#163927 12-Sep-2008 08:13

Hi Mark, I dont believe anything has happened, you are still not actually connected via a cabinet as your line attenuation is 51dB which is around 3.8km, and you approximate sync rates have not changed, still around 3.5-4Mb/s. With ADSL2+ (which you are on via your current DSLAM) it is quite common to have the noise margin/sync rate move about from time to time as line conditions change, especially on longer lines. You may be better off forcing your modem back to ADSL1/G.DMT.

My guess is the cabinet around the corner has not been completed, as Dean mentioned there are many steps to installing a cabinet and the actual cutover of subscriber lines is one of the last things, and currently you are still on the main exchange 3.8km away rather than the cabinet some 2km or less away.

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