Chorus UFB and multi dwelling buildings

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#109483 20-Sep-2012 16:11

Hi Guys

Does anyone know how chorus is going with organizing how they will install UFB into places like Auckland city apartments?

Its sad a large?density populated areas are UFB enabled however no one can get UFB as 99% of the city is apartments, I have a feeling its going to take another year or so before they get something sorted?

I would have thought it would be one of the areas they will hit first as the population density is high and the cost for installation could be low if the right methods are chosen.

Discussion?

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#688952 20-Sep-2012 17:09

The cost of installation isn't low - it's actually very high. Fibre needs to be run to each individual property, something that isn't necessarily an easy exercise.

A lot of liason work needs to be done in the industry, especially with the likes of body corps before things really progress.

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#688963 20-Sep-2012 17:18

sbiddle: The cost of installation isn't low - it's actually very high. Fibre needs to be run to each individual property, something that isn't necessarily an easy exercise.

A lot of liason work needs to be done in the industry, especially with the likes of body corps before things really progress.

I sopose on average the cost would be high for some apartments and low for others.

For example my apartment is 3 years old, I'm confident I could run a small fiber tube all the way to the com's room without destroying anything no breaking holes in anything all they need to to is get the fiber to the com's room and go blow it the rest of the way. (approx 50meters)

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#688967 20-Sep-2012 17:22

Bit of a shame they can't just chuck an ethernet switch in the coms room like a lot of current fibre providers do.

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#689626 21-Sep-2012 19:38

Zeon: Bit of a shame they can't just chuck an ethernet switch in the coms room like a lot of current fibre providers do.

Max 100m cable limit for ethernet which is surprisingly often not enough to serve an apartment building.
The labor cost of running the ethernet vs fibre is the same, and i think fibre is cheaper per metre than copper.

In Napier, we have two major apartment complexes, and both are scheduled on the chorus website, months after the areas around them, but they are still scheduled on there.

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#689751 22-Sep-2012 00:26

Zeon: Bit of a shame they can't just chuck an ethernet switch in the coms room like a lot of current fibre providers do.

How would that even work for billing? Wouldn't that require that the whole building be with one ISP on one account?

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#689764 22-Sep-2012 06:08

Jarno:
Zeon: Bit of a shame they can't just chuck an ethernet switch in the coms room like a lot of current fibre providers do.

How would that even work for billing? Wouldn't that require that the whole building be with one ISP on one account?

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No, there are plenty of ways to isolate traffic. This is not a UFB scenario though, the only official UFB scenario at present is fibre to every apartment.

There are lots of providers putting equipment into buildings these days, putting good backhaul in and supplying services in-building.

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#690062 23-Sep-2012 00:42

sbiddle:
Jarno:
Zeon: Bit of a shame they can't just chuck an ethernet switch in the coms room like a lot of current fibre providers do.

How would that even work for billing? Wouldn't that require that the whole building be with one ISP on one account?

---JvdL---

No, there are plenty of ways to isolate traffic. This is not a UFB scenario though, the only official UFB scenario at present is fibre to every apartment.

There are lots of providers putting equipment into buildings these days, putting good backhaul in and supplying services in-building.

There are multi-dwelling ONUs desgned with this purpose, which essentially has a separate login for each port and either ethernet or gpon for the uplink fibre. Originally CFH had a proposal that buildings would get gigabit copper, but didn't sound workable.

CFH apparently changed the spec by eliminating active equipment from apartment basements, probably because not many landlords would likely agree to rewire apartment buildings that aren't ethernet compatible. Better to just ban copper wires and accept there will be some buildings where perfectly good wiring becomes obsolete. Some buildings would need ONUs on every 3rd floor or so to overcome the 100m limit, so theres an issue of port utilisation as well as power supplies, security etc.

Time to find a new industry!

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#690628 24-Sep-2012 14:15

webwat:
There are multi-dwelling ONUs desgned with this purpose, which essentially has a separate login for each port and either ethernet or gpon for the uplink fibre. Originally CFH had a proposal that buildings would get gigabit copper, but didn't sound workable.

CFH apparently changed the spec by eliminating active equipment from apartment basements, probably because not many landlords would likely agree to rewire apartment buildings that aren't ethernet compatible. Better to just ban copper wires and accept there will be some buildings where perfectly good wiring becomes obsolete. Some buildings would need ONUs on every 3rd floor or so to overcome the 100m limit, so theres an issue of port utilisation as well as power supplies, security etc.

I also thought there was a requirement to provide the fiber to the door this means to the door in the case of apartments.

I personally thing fiber all the way to the door in apartments is the best option for cost and for things like broken fibers, as the fibers a blown down a smaller inner tube. Break a fiber simple fix pull it out or blow it out then blow though a new one though....
Dam that sounds rather x rated hehehe

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