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Topic # 111568 7-Nov-2012 16:54

Unsure what ya call the green box that sits on the roadside to connect to your property.

Anywho; we got a letter saying that UFB is coming to our street shortly and I'd like to know if you can ask Chorus or their service company (Downer) where exactly they'll place the box.

They've marked a location already with spray paint. However, I'd prefer if it was on the other side of our water main, and next to the existing grey phone pod. Otherwise a trench to our house will cross over the copper water pipe and I'd prefer to keep them separated.

The footpath showing the location that the green box will go:

A hole I had cut in our front path to allow access for a conduit from the road:

We aren't planning to get UFB for now; I'd just like to have the service location in a good spot.

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Reply # 713623 7-Nov-2012 17:00

$4 spray paint from the warehouse ?

But seriously they can be moved, one of my clients called them, the other just told them on the day. I would suggest the phone call if you really worried. There is little problem with the water main been where it is as far as trenching.

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Reply # 713731 7-Nov-2012 19:22

Well in palmy they have been extremely hap hazard with DP placement. Some areas they will replace the cooper DP so that the two services co-exist in the same enclosure. Other places they place the fibre DP right next to the copper and the third is place it on the boundary even if it doesn't suit the situation. I guess thats what happens when you leave it up to drain layers.
In saying all that, that spray paint just looks like services plotting and not where the DP will be placed.

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Reply # 713801 7-Nov-2012 20:48

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DarthKermit: Unsure what ya call the green box that sits on the roadside to connect to your property.

Anywho; we got a letter saying that UFB is coming to our street shortly and I'd like to know if you can ask Chorus or their service company (Downer) where exactly they'll place the box.

They've marked a location already with spray paint. However, I'd prefer if it was on the other side of our water main, and next to the existing grey phone pod. Otherwise a trench to our house will cross over the copper water pipe and I'd prefer to keep them separated.

The Chorus Green Box like housing that is put on the roadsides for general connection to UFB, either via fixed fibre or Blown fibre, is called a Pedistal. The Chorus Grey one is called a DP (Distrabution Point) or a Pillar

Actualy what has been marked there is where the gas supply is not any location of further network elements - the general scheme of colour markings is ; Yellow - Gas, Orange/Red - Power, Blue - Water , Violet - Telecommunications (Any network). and White for construction information / the dot in the middle indicates the general location of the service with the lines either side indicating the corridor in which you must hand dig to loacte this service if you are going to dig over or around it.

The Chorus network construction plans (yr 1) where to put them on the boundary between every second property near or over the existing DP or on this boundary even if the DP was somewhere else.

The current design sets that are coming out have either no pedistal if in grass ( the microduct pipes capped and buried next to the DP then dug up and joined below ground when required or the pedistal placed within about 300mm of the existing DP. Both of these locations have been selected to take advantage, if possible of, existing 20mm service pipes.

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Reply # 713822 7-Nov-2012 21:10

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DarthKermit: Unsure what ya call the green box that sits on the roadside to connect to your property.

Anywho; we got a letter saying that UFB is coming to our street shortly and I'd like to know if you can ask Chorus or their service company (Downer) where exactly they'll place the box.

They've marked a location already with spray paint. However, I'd prefer if it was on the other side of our water main, and next to the existing grey phone pod. Otherwise a trench to our house will cross over the copper water pipe and I'd prefer to keep them separated.

The Chorus Green Box like housing that is put on the roadsides for general connection to UFB, either via fixed fibre or Blown fibre, is called a Pedistal. The Chorus Grey one is called a DP (Distrabution Point) or a Pillar

Actualy what has been marked there is where the gas supply is not any location of further network elements - the general scheme of colour markings is ; Yellow - Gas, Orange/Red - Power, Blue - Water , Violet - Telecommunications (Any network). and White for construction information / the dot in the middle indicates the general location of the service with the lines either side indicating the corridor in which you must hand dig to loacte this service if you are going to dig over or around it.

The Chorus network construction plans (yr 1) where to put them on the boundary between every second property near or over the existing DP or on this boundary even if the DP was somewhere else.

The current design sets that are coming out have either no pedistal if in grass ( the microduct pipes capped and buried next to the DP then dug up and joined below ground when required or the pedistal placed within about 300mm of the existing DP. Both of these locations have been selected to take advantage, if possible of, existing 20mm service pipes.

Hi and thanks for all that info. We do have a gas supply to the house so that yellow paint would make sense for its location in the street.

Hopefully they will place the pedistal next to the existing grey pod. Our underground power line and POTS phone line appear to share the same trench to the house, as they exit under the house at the same spot. Neither appear to be in a conduit as none is visable under the concrete foundation of our house.

That means a conduit would probably be required to the house for UFB.

The pod that houses the fuses for the mains power is on the inside of the pictured fence, about 500 mm away from the grey phone pod.

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Reply # 713834 7-Nov-2012 21:20

@InstallUFB
-Will Chorus use older 1/2inch conduit if it is viable? There is a heap of that around and alot of the time it is still possible to get more cable through it. Seems like a waste not to use.

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Reply # 713846 7-Nov-2012 21:43

Like installerUFB says in his last para, there probably won't be anything visible on the berm. What he said is exactly how my Chorus blown fibre installation was done. Ol' grey pillar still there but nothing else.

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Reply # 713849 7-Nov-2012 21:47

chevrolux: @InstallUFB
-Will Chorus use older 1/2inch conduit if it is viable? There is a heap of that around and alot of the time it is still possible to get more cable through it. Seems like a waste not to use.

The quick answer is yes if it is viable - that is generaly ...
If it dosent have any right angle bends (especialy below ground and under seal or concrete, which are extremly common) and if it does can they be removed and discarded or replaced with swepped bends (because unlike older Copper Service leads, blown fibre tubes dont like being bent),
Does it terminate in a position that a fibre can be installed into a new ETP and then onto the ONT,
Can the start of the conduit be easily accessed and plumbed back to the Pedistal,
and after all else can the existing copper services be maintained while and after the fibre install.

In about 95% of the installs we have scoped, where there was an existing 15mm/ 1/2 inch conduit, we have been unable to use them because one or more of the above could not be satisfied

But in about 99% of installs with a more modern 20mm conduit we have been able to reuse it or modify it for UFB use

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Reply # 713852 7-Nov-2012 21:51

linw: Like installerUFB says in his last para, there probably won't be anything visible on the berm. What he said is exactly how my Chorus blown fibre installation was done. Ol' grey pillar still there but nothing else.

I guess I'll have to wait and see what they install. However the street that our street runs off had UFB installed in the last 2 or 3 months and they installed the green pillars at the roadside.

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Reply # 720028 20-Nov-2012 12:08

Update:
I just spoke to one of the Chorus guys this morning as he was spray-painting some more lines in front of our fence. They'll place the green pillar between the blue water main and the grey phone pod.

They've excavated a large hole down the street as the junction cabinet for all the fibre in our street. Interesting.

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Reply # 720351 20-Nov-2012 20:41

what part of our great country are you in ? if you dont mind me asking

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Reply # 720354 20-Nov-2012 20:45

InstallerUFB: what part of our great country are you in ? if you dont mind me asking

Palmerston North. What about you?

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Reply # 720364 20-Nov-2012 20:59

DarthKermit:
InstallerUFB: what part of our great country are you in ? if you dont mind me asking

Palmerston North. What about you?

Strangly enough - the same area - let me guess somewhere around the northern end of Vogel St ? (im not trying to be a staker )- just a wild guess as I think that one is one of the next to be installed

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Reply # 720710 21-Nov-2012 12:46

I was guessing he is around Wood St or Argyle or maybe Featherston. Very impressed how fast they did that drilling!!

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Reply # 720918 21-Nov-2012 19:10

chevrolux: I was guessing he is around Wood St or Argyle or maybe Featherston. Very impressed how fast they did that drilling!!

Yep some of that part of the civils is quick - Now over the next month or so they finish doing the final joining up - then tube, fix fibre testing (out from the cabinets) and the feeder fibre & splitter testing/Verification before it is handed over to Chorus - Then 4 more cabnet areas will be ready for installs - Yay :-)

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Reply # 720964 21-Nov-2012 20:39

It's interesting to be in a street where year two fibre rollout is happening. Chorus are certainly covering a large area of Palmerston North during Y2.

I was having a look on the Chorus map recently and Wanganui (at this stage) has bugger all UFB installation coming up.

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