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Topic # 111827 15-Nov-2012 23:42
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Okay here's my little rant.

Yea 78,223(according to http://www.chorusfibre.co.nz/) users have access to fibre, but what percentage of that number is actually going to sign up to it?

I think its ridiculous that there is nothing in place which allows residents to get on a priority list. It's being rolled out in the most stupid fashion.

Yea, they included schools into the plans. But why is there not residents and businesses who actually NEED it getting priority?

I personally for one would actually use fibre, and its so stupid that it's been rolled out 2 streets away and not my street.

I understand that it needs a direct fibre path to the exchange, but there should be a priority list of streets which customers (businesses and residents) live on who actually need it.

I run a couple servers inside my house, using RDC etc. from remote locations. I would love to get a few other servers set up, run a few of my websites locally on a connection which is actually good.

I am a web application developer who needs a fast connect in order to give access to overseas and national users. But on a VDSL2 connection is hardly stable for a web server.

So I think chorus(and other providers) should allow those who NEED fibre, be able to get their streets fibre rollout date moved forward.

I've found out that my street wont be getting a fibre line until 2015, that is ridiculous, there is a school a street away from me, and 2 streets away fibre is already rolled out.

That's the end of my rant ! Anyone else feel the same way as me ?

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  Reply # 718025 15-Nov-2012 23:59
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I would have gone with UFB, but it wasn't going to be available in my area any time soon either. I went with VDSL2 instead. For me it's pretty good, faster than the 'light' UFB plans but obviously not as much potential as the 100/50 UFB plans. But practically speaking, its not really different for the majority of usage scenario's.

I've never had issues with remote desktop, its more concerned with latency than bandwidth in my experience. And given I can get a VPS for $30/month for web hosting, I never thought it was worth hosting my own web server either (other than for testing, which VDSL2 is fine for).



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  Reply # 718026 16-Nov-2012 00:01
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blair003: I would have gone with UFB, but it wasn't going to be available in my area any time soon either. I went with VDSL2 instead. For me it's pretty good, faster than the 'light' UFB plans but obviously not as much potential as the 100/50 UFB plans. But practically speaking, its not really different for the majority of usage scenario's.

I've never had issues with remote desktop, its more concerned with latency than bandwidth in my experience. And given I can get a VPS for $30/month for web hosting, I never thought it was worth hosting my own web server either (other than for testing, which VDSL2 is fine for).


Yea the VDSL2 is fine for testing, but actually running web applications for national and overseas clients is out of the picture.

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  Reply # 718031 16-Nov-2012 00:18
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Depends on the needs of the application I guess. AFAIK UFB still has a low CIR as well, so unless you are using more than the 10mbit up, they may not be that different.

In many cases, VDSL2 or UFB might be fine. However in either case, if you have problems you are reliant upon the provider to fix them and because you are further out on the network, there is potential for more problems compared to if you are closer to the core.

So if the application is of significant importance, it still really needs to be hosted at a data centre anyway.



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  Reply # 718033 16-Nov-2012 00:35
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blair003: Depends on the needs of the application I guess. AFAIK UFB still has a low CIR as well, so unless you are using more than the 10mbit up, they may not be that different.

In many cases, VDSL2 or UFB might be fine. However in either case, if you have problems you are reliant upon the provider to fix them and because you are further out on the network, there is potential for more problems compared to if you are closer to the core.

So if the application is of significant importance, it still really needs to be hosted at a data centre anyway.


Yes that is understandable. But there is more network outages using a hosting company than your own ISP in most cases.

Some of my applications have file storing and downloading properties to it, so more than 10mbit would be used. 

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  Reply # 718042 16-Nov-2012 06:10
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Extro: That's the end of my rant ! Anyone else feel the same way as me ?


My simple answer to that is no. If you got UFB there would simply be one other person who misses out that would be using the exact same argument.

UFB is a 10 year project with no focus on residential until years years 6-10. NZ's biggest ever infrastructure project can't happen overnight.

If bandwidth is such a great concern have you inquired into the availability of existing PtP fibre? One would assume you'll be wanting a business plan with a higher CIR anyway, so pricing will be pretty similair to existing PtP pricing.


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  Reply # 718043 16-Nov-2012 06:14
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Extro: That's the end of my rant ! Anyone else feel the same way as me ?


No I don't agree web services should really be hosted in a data centre and if anyone from Chorus read this they must of lol

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  Reply # 718044 16-Nov-2012 06:32
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I would use it, I'm not getting it, I got over it. Some people still can't get adsl. I swear we are breeding a nation of whingers!!

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  Reply # 718045 16-Nov-2012 06:39
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riahon: I would use it, I'm not getting it, I got over it. Some people still can't get adsl. I swear we are breeding a nation of whingers!!


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  Reply # 718049 16-Nov-2012 07:21
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blair003: So if the application is of significant importance, it still really needs to be hosted at a data centre anyway.


QFT. If you are working from home and want some clients to see the results, that's fine - but you don't need UFB for this.

If you have an application that is consumed by the public, which requires time up (hardware maintenance, electricity, network) and performance then the application shouldn't be hosted at home. It should be in a datacentre - either colocated or hosted.

After all those years, with millions of pages served every month, hundreds of gigabytes of traffic some people are still surprised when they ask "so, do you run Geekzone from home" and I say "no, we have servers colocated in one of the Datacom datacentre in Auckland".




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  Reply # 718055 16-Nov-2012 07:31
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While I appreciate that a residential connection should not be used for anything critical such as hosting, I do agree with the main point. I have no idea how Chorus has come up with the current schedule; it only seems logical that there should be a way for potential customers to register interest (other than pestering numerous ISPs like I've been doing!). Failing that, Chorus should be prioritising areas that do not have access to VDSL2. It seems silly that some streets will soon have a choice between two different fast technologies, whereas other streets will be stuck with comparatively slow ADSL2.

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  Reply # 718056 16-Nov-2012 07:35
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I agree that people might want to know why fiber is not here but is there, why ISPs are not providing the service, why does it cost this much or that much.

But Chorus doesn't know a potential customer us running a server from home and didn't plan the UFB deployment around that potential customer. They didn't plan because one customer may be running a home business. They averaged the whole thing.

As I said if the server/application is that important for a business might be time to either get a business connection or host with a datacentre.




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  Reply # 718061 16-Nov-2012 08:11
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I think its mainly around lobbying from particular areas. I look at the area around Auckland and for the business areas it covers, I know the local business associations are very vocal. To be honest seems stupid to even consider residential until most business areas are provided for as this will provide economic benefits (if any do really exist).





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  Reply # 718132 16-Nov-2012 09:45
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All the streets around me are getting fibre (in Glenfield) except mine and 2 others. I would jump at the chance to use it. checked the rollout map and my street has no time for Fibre install. Cant get VDSL either.

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  Reply # 718153 16-Nov-2012 10:29
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You'll probably be annoyed to hear that Chorus are starting laying UFB in the street I live in _today_, but we aren't planning to connect to it for now, as the two of us just aren't heavy internet users.




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