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Topic # 115538 28-Mar-2013 20:41
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Just building and laying concrete paths next week, we are in chch, and I just found out that enable networks would have laid cables in the ground in the ditches the builder creates, however I didn't know that and chorus has been in and laid their green conduit and builder has filled in holes. Enable has said they wont use the green conduit in future to run a fibre cable? Seems kinda strange that they want to run new red conduit. Anyone had any experience with this, main concern is access to etp as its going to be hard to get to due to pathway. I have run 2 additional cat 5 to the etp I conduit back to the house network box to allow for fibre, but a bit worried now that enable will want to dig up pathways in future, can I run some std 20mm conduit up the side of the house now and about a meter out from the house ( which is the outer edge of the pathways ) to allow easy access for enable networks in future or do you think they will change their stance and reuse the green conduit already laid? I have read that there is hybrid fibre that has copper and fibre In one cable?

Keen to hear others experiences.

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  Reply # 788972 28-Mar-2013 21:18
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Hi mrhaboobi

The green duct will actually be owned and property of Chorus (and will be stamped with Chorus) and since Enable don't own it they wont install their fibre in it.  FYI Enable's duct is Red.

If you contact Enable They will be more than happy to come out and lay their own duct, it could also be worth you laying one of your own if you want (if its on your property)- you never know what you might use it for in the future!






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  Reply # 788998 28-Mar-2013 21:46
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RalphFromSnap: Hi mrhaboobi

The green duct will actually be owned and property of Chorus (and will be stamped with Chorus) and since Enable don't own it they wont install their fibre in it.  FYI Enable's duct is Red.

If you contact Enable They will be more than happy to come out and lay their own duct, it could also be worth you laying one of your own if you want (if its on your property)- you never know what you might use it for in the future!




Yes, more than happy, IF a trench exists, otherwise they are not interested. I spoke to them already about it. Really I don't care who owns the conduit, it's just plastic and seems ridiculous that they can't get along and share :). So for now unless I personally want to dig a trench 60 cm deep they wont help , even though it would save work in future :( would u guys have more pulling power to get them to do it? We spoke to snap at the chch home show and are looking to sign up.

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  Reply # 789006 28-Mar-2013 22:10
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The Chorus conduit would have only been used to install a copper phone wire to the house, since Chorus aren't doing any of the residential UFB in Chch (they are doing some business fibre).




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  Reply # 789009 28-Mar-2013 22:13
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Enable suggested we are a year away from fibre in our area, do u think the situation could change to allow fibre in chorus conduit?

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  Reply # 789022 28-Mar-2013 22:20
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mrhaboobi: Enable suggested we are a year away from fibre in our area, do u think the situation could change to allow fibre in chorus conduit?


Unsure. Maybe one of the guys who works for Chorus will see this thread and post an answer for you?




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  Reply # 789100 29-Mar-2013 09:04
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My understanding is that that the red microduct from the street is extended to your house so they can blow the fibre through. The larger green conduit wouldn't be suitable for that, it cant be joined to the microduct (and is not necessarily sealed). They could put the microduct through the green conduit though, if they were willing.



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  Reply # 789101 29-Mar-2013 09:06
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Does anyone know the spec on the duct, I could lay some myself this weekend. Thanks

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  Reply # 789113 29-Mar-2013 09:37
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mrhaboobi: Does anyone know the spec on the duct, I could lay some myself this weekend. Thanks


Dont get confused between the duct (mircoduct) that the fibre is installed through and a conduit that this microduct can be pushed through from the road side to your house if the microduct isnt direct buired in the ground

Enable Networks use red microduct and would like either red or white 20mm conduit installed

Chorus use green or black microduct (known by its 'product' name of Ribbonet) and use green 20mm Conduit



- Telecommunications conduits are sized by their internal diameter like pluming pipeing

- Electrical conduits are sized by the external diameter - the two are generaly not interconnectable


Get some white 20mm presure pipe (Hardware or pluming supplier) and buiry that (generaly between 300 - 500mm down - even besided the green conduit) from the point enable have ended their 'tubes' out on the road side to the side of the house where your Fibre ETP will be installed



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  Reply # 789120 29-Mar-2013 09:51
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Excellent, thanks, i'll head to the supply shop tomorrrow buy some white pressure pipe and lay that ( would rexel and ideal or stores like that sell the telecommunications proper version or do they just use white pressure pipe?  Can the pipes be cut and joined?

 im thinking just to lay that long enough to get under the concrete rather than all teh way to the road side, i assume the pipe should have a 90degree bend, but a long bend ( and is it a cut pipe or the same pipe bent upwards? and it just comes up the side of the house like the green one from chorus..

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mrhaboobi: Does anyone know the spec on the duct, I could lay some myself this weekend. Thanks


Dont get confused between the duct (mircoduct) that the fibre is installed through and a conduit that this microduct can be pushed through from the road side to your house if the microduct isnt direct buired in the ground

Enable Networks use red microduct and would like either red or white 20mm conduit installed

Chorus use green or black microduct (known by its 'product' name of Ribbonet) and use green 20mm Conduit



- Telecommunications conduits are sized by their internal diameter like pluming pipeing

- Electrical conduits are sized by the external diameter - the two are generaly not interconnectable


Get some white 20mm presure pipe (Hardware or pluming supplier) and buiry that (generaly between 300 - 500mm down - even besided the green conduit) from the point enable have ended their 'tubes' out on the road side to the side of the house where your Fibre ETP will be installed

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  Reply # 789131 29-Mar-2013 10:26
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mrhaboobi: Excellent, thanks, i'll head to the supply shop tomorrrow buy some white pressure pipe and lay that ( would rexel and ideal or stores like that sell the telecommunications proper version or do they just use white pressure pipe?  Can the pipes be cut and joined?

 im thinking just to lay that long enough to get under the concrete rather than all teh way to the road side, i assume the pipe should have a 90degree bend, but a long bend ( and is it a cut pipe or the same pipe bent upwards? and it just comes up the side of the house like the green one from chorus..


Yes, you'll want to cut and join the pipe with appropriate pipe cement. Make it slightly longer than the Chorus pipe up the side of the house, and put a pipe cap on it - same with the other end, where it'll probably be underground. Then when it's used, the cap can be cut off flush with the chorus pipe. (Of course, if the chorus pipe is capped, just make it the same length).

Also - bite the bullet now, and run the duct the whole way. You say that the chorus pipe's in a buried trench - that soil will be much easier the dig out than normal, so it won't be terribly difficult. Saves you having contractors digging up your grass verge beside your path later, and dealing with any issues with positioning of the duct you install.

Yes - you'll want to use sweeping bends, and yes, it's just another shorter bit of pipe up the side of the house.




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  Reply # 789137 29-Mar-2013 10:39
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InstallerUFB: Chorus use green or black microduct (known by its 'product' name of Ribbonet) and use green 20mm Conduit

Get some white 20mm presure pipe (Hardware or pluming supplier) and buiry that (generaly between 300 - 500mm down - even besided the green conduit) from the point enable have ended their 'tubes' out on the road side to the side of the house where your Fibre ETP will be installed


So would Chorus install a fibre optic cable through an existing green 20mm conduit to the customer's house?




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  Reply # 789195 29-Mar-2013 11:53
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DarthKermit: So would Chorus install a fibre optic cable through an existing green 20mm conduit to the customer's house?




Yes - where there is an existing 15mm/20mm chorus conduit (most common sizes) it is reused to install either a fixed fibre cable or a ribbonet tube / The 90Deg elbows and alkathene sections are removed and replaced with new conduit and sweeping bends / a new 20mm conduit all the way is only installed as a last option if the existing cant be reused or there isnt a conduit (This is for less than 100M) - greater than 100m the ribbonet tube is mole plowed in or drilled.


Dont forget that chorus is not the only network opersator to have conduits and ducts installed - chorus dosen't use Telstraclear ducting or any belonging to other network operators - the same way Enable wont use Chorus's


less than and equal to 32mm is reffered to as a conduit or pipe
more that 40mm is refered to as a duct
but microducting can be anything from single tube 7to15mm all the way up and microducting is either installed in a conduit, duct or direct buired

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  Reply # 789203 29-Mar-2013 12:03
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mrhaboobi: Excellent, thanks, i'll head to the supply shop tomorrrow buy some white pressure pipe and lay that ( would rexel and ideal or stores like that sell the telecommunications proper version or do they just use white pressure pipe?  Can the pipes be cut and joined?

 im thinking just to lay that long enough to get under the concrete rather than all teh way to the road side, i assume the pipe should have a 90degree bend, but a long bend ( and is it a cut pipe or the same pipe bent upwards? and it just comes up the side of the house like the green one from chorus..


Have a look at this document on the requirements for the lead in from your street:
http://www.chorus.co.nz/file/2689/urban-service-lead-final.pdf




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  Reply # 789209 29-Mar-2013 12:20
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mrhaboobi: Excellent, thanks, i'll head to the supply shop tomorrrow buy some white pressure pipe and lay that ( would rexel and ideal or stores like that sell the telecommunications proper version or do they just use white pressure pipe?  Can the pipes be cut and joined?

 im thinking just to lay that long enough to get under the concrete rather than all teh way to the road side, i assume the pipe should have a 90degree bend, but a long bend ( and is it a cut pipe or the same pipe bent upwards? and it just comes up the side of the house like the green one from chorus..


I would suggest that rexel and ideal are both electrical wholesalers - not plumbing wholesalers - if you dont have a one near by try a major building supplier (Bunnings, Carters, Placemakers etc)

- The pipe comes with a 'Bell End' at one end of the pipe so it can be joined one section into the next

- Run your conduit in a straight line (if possible) with large bends, bent in the conduit (3m radius+) if bending is required, and cap both ends below ground (mark or map where you leave the ends ) - dont just run it in sections or you will make the job of installation much harder later on.

- The installers for Enable Networks will be able to modify the ends of the conduit with their bends etc, or shift the end if required, when they come to fit off your connection.

- The sweeping bends that we install for chorus are not publicly available (even from wholesalers) as they are not used in the 'water' environment that preasure pipe is generaly used in but are manufactured specificaly for chorus (and for the other Network Operators) by the piping manufactures.

- the generaly fittings - joiners, caps etc are the same and are publicly available



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  Reply # 789284 29-Mar-2013 15:05
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InstallerUFB:

- The pipe comes with a 'Bell End' at one end of the pipe so it can be joined one section into the next

- Run your conduit in a straight line (if possible) with large bends, bent in the conduit (3m radius+) if bending is required, and cap both ends below ground (mark or map where you leave the ends ) - dont just run it in sections or you will make the job of installation much harder later on.

- The installers for Enable Networks will be able to modify the ends of the conduit with their bends etc, or shift the end if required, when they come to fit off your connection.

- The sweeping bends that we install for chorus are not publicly available (even from wholesalers) as they are not used in the 'water' environment that preasure pipe is generaly used in but are manufactured specificaly for chorus (and for the other Network Operators) by the piping manufactures.

- the generaly fittings - joiners, caps etc are the same and are publicly available


ok i have dug the duct channel today, what a mission, as im having concrete laid up to the edge of the house i will need to install a 90 degree bend to bring the pipe up through the concrete,  i dug up next to the green chorus ducting. ( about 30 - 45 cm below ground level )  i found they just used a 90 degree sweeping bend aswell to bring the pipe up the side of the house.  i also found that someone had bent a straight pipe to make a 90 degree bend rather than use a proper bend, none of the connectors have been glued, given no glue id like to raplace that dodgy 90 degree bent pipe with a proper 90 degree bend.  I'm thinking our sparky may have bent the pipe to get it into place.

I looked at some other houses in local subdivisions and they had Marley Telecoms ducting, others use iplex upvc piping..  i assume either of those are fine, i would have thought rexel or the like would have sold telecoms conduit, but maybe not. 

So i hve one chance to get this correct, i need to install the white ducting ( would like red but doubt i will find that ) , and i will need to install 2x 90 degree bends to get it to the side of the house, i'll try and use a sweeping bend if i  can find them, i will cap one end above ground, the other below ground, enable wont be able to modify anything if i put the conduit in as it will be under cement and poking through the cement just like the green conduit from chorus..  hence the reason i want to get it correct

Im doing all this as i assume that enable wont ( or cant ) drill through concrete pathways next to the house, and as this is a new house i dont want them cutting channels ( i assume this is what they would try ), or running the ducting to a different side off the house..

so i will do the ducting that is going under conrete while i can..  i'd get them to do it, but concrete is going down tuesday/wednesday and i doubt they will come out that quickly..

Kinda wish i knew a UFB installer locally ( in chch ) so i could get them do sort this out this weekend or so i could get one of the green bends and some suitable conduit to do the this job.  Anyone in chch a chorus or enable employee? ;)

Thanks for the advice.

Greg

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