Price gouging on IP space?

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#116328 25-Apr-2013 17:30

I was recently quoted $600 per month by Lightwire for a /28 (16 IP addresses) delivered over a UFB circuit. The $600 was for just the IP space with circuit/data charges on top. I know there is pressure on IPV4 space but this is obscene in my opinion.

Has anyone else experienced this?

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#805523 25-Apr-2013 17:34

At that price you should knock on APNICs door and get an allocation (they still allocate up to /22).

Are you sure it was just IPs they quoted you $600/m for?

We're selling them at $2/m each so I'm not sure where that figure comes from.

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#805524 25-Apr-2013 17:35

No I've been charged $5 per usable IP but I've not got any sites requiring 16 :)

I'd look elsewhere.

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#805529 25-Apr-2013 17:46

myfullflavour: At that price you should knock on APNICs door and get an allocation (they still allocate up to /22).

Are you sure it was just IPs they quoted you $600/m for?

We're selling them at $2/m each so I'm not sure where that figure comes from.

The quote was $600 per month cheaper with no IPV4 space beyond the single WAN interface one. By way of (pointless) consolation I was offered IPV6 space for free.

Previously I have paid $1 p/m each but that ISP does not offer VDSL or UFB.

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#805530 25-Apr-2013 17:49

For about $300/Month (You pay a fee each year but you get the idea) you can get a /22 if needed straight from APNIC so $600/Month for a /28 IMHO is a ripoff

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#805532 25-Apr-2013 17:54

LennonNZ: For about $300/Month (You pay a fee each year but you get the idea) you can get a /22 if needed straight from APNIC so $600/Month for a /28 IMHO is a ripoff

I can't justify a /22. I only need a /28 right now and maybe a /27 later. My personal preference is IPV6 deployment - and I already have IPV6 connectivity - but until it becomes ubiqutous I need to run both.

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#805539 25-Apr-2013 18:19

Seems a bit absurd. Look for another provider.

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#805554 25-Apr-2013 19:00

Shop around, that's a bit on the high side, but get used to it, that's where we're going with IPv4

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#805576 25-Apr-2013 19:45

Unleash, Vibe and Voyager are all companies I have personal experience with and trust as providers, they all offer both VDSL, UFB and IP's considerably cheaper than that.

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#805607 25-Apr-2013 20:41

MichaelNZ: The quote was $600 per month cheaper with no IPV4 space beyond the single WAN interface one. By way of (pointless) consolation I was offered IPV6 space for free.

I'd suggest going back to them and clarifying this, i'm sure they would clear things up. I think if you asked directly if the $600 is just for an IP allocation then you might get a full answer.

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#805617 25-Apr-2013 20:54

IP's in the AU "grey/white" market go for ~$10-15 AU/USD per IP address, depending on what block size you get. So yes, v4 IPs cost money.

(Given APNIC has run out, except for a single /22 (1024) you can get per APNIC membership.)

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#806408 27-Apr-2013 17:25

kyhwana2: IP's in the AU "grey/white" market go for ~$10-15 AU/USD per IP address, depending on what block size you get. So yes, v4 IPs cost money.

(Given APNIC has run out, except for a single /22 (1024) you can get per APNIC membership.)

How much are we talking for a /24?

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#806420 27-Apr-2013 17:43

MichaelNZ:
kyhwana2: IP's in the AU "grey/white" market go for ~$10-15 AU/USD per IP address, depending on what block size you get. So yes, v4 IPs cost money.

(Given APNIC has run out, except for a single /22 (1024) you can get per APNIC membership.)

How much are we talking for a /24?

On the grey/white market? ~$2500AUD/USD or so? Once you get your final /22 allocation from APNIC, that's it from APNIC tho, so to the grey market!

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#806453 27-Apr-2013 19:21

kyhwana2:
MichaelNZ:
kyhwana2: IP's in the AU "grey/white" market go for ~$10-15 AU/USD per IP address, depending on what block size you get. So yes, v4 IPs cost money.

(Given APNIC has run out, except for a single /22 (1024) you can get per APNIC membership.)

How much are we talking for a /24?

On the grey/white market? ~$2500AUD/USD or so? Once you get your final /22 allocation from APNIC, that's it from APNIC tho, so to the grey market!

Don't forget you still have to pay annual APNICS fees which is calculated on how many IPs you have..

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#810942 3-May-2013 17:20

I'd suggest going back to them and clarifying this, i'm sure they would clear things up. I think if you asked directly if the $600 is just for an IP allocation then you might get a full answer.

As unbelievable as the price seemed, I had this discussion with them at the time and it was very clear:

1. UFB fibre with 1x WAN address - $400 per month

2. UFB fibre with 1x WAN address and /28 - $1,000 per month

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#820359 15-May-2013 22:41

Yep that's insane! My current ISP running out of IPV4 to allocate, but the price they charge for a /27 is only $100. Roll on IPV6!

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