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sen8or

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#119104 20-May-2013 17:59
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Enable are currently in our street laying the pipework for fibre, from what I can see it will still be a month or 2 before its live. We are with Vodafone on ADSL2+ contract until August and getting ok speeds so am not in too much of a rush.

We are up a right of way with underground wiring currently (up a 20-30mm conduit runing up a 30 metre driveway), Im assuming this would be ok to be used for the fibre, or is it more heavy duty?

Its a newish house with Cat5e from outside to in where the coms box is, is this ok to run over, or will it be another new connection inside the house (requiring a new entry point through the brickwork?)

Have just set up unblock-us and netflix, will there be any issues with loading different DNS details on the fibre router?

We also use the vodafone adsl router with wireless, are the fibre routers wireless, or would I need to buy something else?

We also use the vodafone routers 4 ports for hardwired things (Bluray player, TV and home PCs) - as above, would we also need a switch or would the fibre router do the job too.

Thanks in advance

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InstallerUFB
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  #822632 20-May-2013 19:57
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Im not an Enable installer but ill try and answer your questions with general answers


We are up a right of way with underground wiring currently (up a 20-30mm conduit runing up a 30 metre driveway), Im assuming this would be ok to be used for the fibre, or is it more heavy duty?


If the conduit is owned by Chorus or Telstraclear then no unless Enable have an agreement with either of the other network operators to use it


Its a newish house with Cat5e from outside to in where the coms box is, is this ok to run over, or will it be another new connection inside the house (requiring a new entry point through the brickwork?)?


They will need to install a new 'fibre' cable to your coms box - lets hope when your house was originaly prewired that they installed a conduit or at least drilled some big holes in your frameing so a new cable can be drawn through


Have just set up unblock-us and netflix, will there be any issues with loading different DNS details on the fibre router?

We also use the vodafone adsl router with wireless, are the fibre routers wireless, or would I need to buy something else?

We also use the vodafone routers 4 ports for hardwired things (Bluray player, TV and home PCs) - as above, would we also need a switch or would the fibre router do the job too.


There is no 'fibre router' as such but two devices - the first is called an ONT or Optical network terminal which converst the fibre signal to a copper one (this device is owned and controled by the network operator)
the secound is the RGW (or Residentual Gate Way) more comonly this is just a router and this then plugs into the ONT - this device differs per provider - there are different numbers of available ports on these devices but normal 4 ports are available for LAN use

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  #825280 25-May-2013 17:54
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And some providers give you a router with phone outputs as well, which connects with the provider by using VoIP over the fibre since you dont want to keep paying for a copper telecom line. Most people want to keep using phones one way or another, and most providers seem to be quite keen to not pay for the phone outputs on the ONT.

Your Cat5e cable might be ok to connect the ONT to your comms cabinet if they don't get mounted next to each other.




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  #825804 27-May-2013 00:16
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Its a newish house with Cat5e from outside to in where the coms box is, is this ok to run over, or will it be another new connection inside the house (requiring a new entry point through the brickwork?)?


They will need to install a new 'fibre' cable to your coms box - lets hope when your house was originaly prewired that they installed a conduit or at least drilled some big holes in your frameing so a new cable can be drawn through


Is there no method at all to convert the fibre to the Cat5e cable out at the street?  Can some converter not be placed in the outside box?  I'm happy to disconnect it from the copper phone line.

In our case the only path to the house is where the cat5e cable runs under a narrow garden along the fence line which would be shame to dig up.


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  #825805 27-May-2013 00:37
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rlevis:

Its a newish house with Cat5e from outside to in where the coms box is, is this ok to run over, or will it be another new connection inside the house (requiring a new entry point through the brickwork?)?


They will need to install a new 'fibre' cable to your coms box - lets hope when your house was originaly prewired that they installed a conduit or at least drilled some big holes in your frameing so a new cable can be drawn through


Is there no method at all to convert the fibre to the Cat5e cable out at the street?  Can some converter not be placed in the outside box?  I'm happy to disconnect it from the copper phone line.

In our case the only path to the house is where the cat5e cable runs under a narrow garden along the fence line which would be shame to dig up.



You could put the ONT on the inside wall where it comes in then run 100baseT back to your comms box for your router and switches. But to be honest its much better to put it all in one place.




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  #825820 27-May-2013 07:13
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Is there no method at all to convert the fibre to the Cat5e cable out at the street?  Can some converter not be placed in the outside box?  I'm happy to disconnect it from the copper phone line.

In our case the only path to the house is where the cat5e cable runs under a narrow garden along the fence line which would be shame to dig up.



I gather you are refering to the exisiting service lead in cable from the street to the house - this cable isnt Cat5 - and in many cases dosent even make Cat3 standards.

The simple answer is no you cant easerly convert UFB fibre to copper outside the property boundary then send it in - it could be done if you built a small building with mains power out front  and then run in external cat5e or beter cable to the house to connect your router - just running in the fibre would be alot easier :-)

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  #827397 28-May-2013 22:14
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Its a newish house with Cat5e from outside to in where the coms box is, is this ok to run over, or will it be another new connection inside the house (requiring a new entry point through the brickwork?)

Fibre cannot go through old wiring, it uses a fibre cable that in simple terms carries light, light for some reason doesn't travel to well through copper Tongue Out (not being smart)

Brick work - No not usually. however installation is different for each household, what they usually do is tie/tape the fibre cable to your old copper wiring at the property boundary (in your case at the end of your right of way) and pull the old cable at the other end(at the house) which then pulls then new cables through underground and they do the same when it hits the house.

I requested to keep the old copper cable underground so the tech tied a new copper line and the new fibre cable to the old wire and pulled both through at the same time. Though at some address's this may not be possible as there may not be enough room in the ducting underground.

They then "blow the fibre" through the fibre ducting from the exchange down the road down the driveway and finally out it pops in on the side of your house. then they do the wiring in your house.

My old jacks are still directly connected to the copper network.In the future when the copper lines are no longer used, i can plug my orcone genius into a normal phone jack from the SIP port on my genius modem, giving me the VOIP(voice over ip service) over the old copper lines in my house. (if i didnt have my vodafone connection on the copper line then i would of done this, but the copper lines are still used)


Have just set up unblock-us and netflix, will there be any issues with loading different DNS details on the fibre router?

Shouldn't be an issue if it is setup correctly, i use OPENDNS, and i have set the DNS servers on the Genius Modem and have had no issues whatsoever but remember the fibre modem settings cannot be changed. its essentially a media convert, called an ONT(Optical Network Terminal/terminator). All settings should be changed on the modem, or on each device to point to the DNS server you want.


We also use the vodafone adsl router with wireless, are the fibre routers wireless, or would I need to buy something else?

When the fibre is installed, the technicians will put what they call an ONT (OPTICAL NETWORK TERMINAL/Terminator) as pictured below in your house, i choose behind my TV so  if IPTV is available in the coming years its an easy install. The ONT looks like a modem, the lights flash like a modem, but it is not a modem, think of it as a bridge between the exchange, and your normal ADSL modem. The fibre links in, then you plug an ethernet cable into port 1(GE1) and for me(orcon) i plug it into port 4 on my orcon genius.
So the short answer is yes, you can.


(TWO FIBRE LINES ARE SHOWN, BLUE IS THE ONE THAT CARRIED MY FIBRE CONNECTION)



(THE YELLOW ETHERNET CABLE YOU CAN SEE CONNECTS TO THE ORCON GENIUS MODEM ON PORT 4)

We also use the vodafone routers 4 ports for hardwired things (Bluray player, TV and home PCs) - as above, would we also need a switch or would the fibre router do the job too.


Because the fibre modem requires you to use 1 ethernet port spare on the modem, you may need to purchase a network hub/router/splitter which ever name you like to use if you do not have that extra port available on your modem

The ONT has four ports, but only 1 port has been enabled, the other ports are disabled and is for future use such as IPTV etc etc, thats another topic altogether.... when we know more

Hope this information helps you.


:)

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  #828461 30-May-2013 20:10
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got a question. before UFB i had port forwarding for utorrent. but since i have upgraded to UFB do i need to port forward to notice a speed difference or does this not matter anymore?

 
 
 
 


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  #828462 30-May-2013 20:15
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ashnizzle: got a question. before UFB i had port forwarding for utorrent. but since i have upgraded to UFB do i need to port forward to notice a speed difference or does this not matter anymore?


Same applies :)

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  #828496 30-May-2013 21:36
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ubergeeknz:
ashnizzle: got a question. before UFB i had port forwarding for utorrent. but since i have upgraded to UFB do i need to port forward to notice a speed difference or does this not matter anymore?


Same applies :)


Thanks does this look correct?





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  #829169 1-Jun-2013 12:45
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ashnizzle:
ubergeeknz:
ashnizzle: got a question. before UFB i had port forwarding for utorrent. but since i have upgraded to UFB do i need to port forward to notice a speed difference or does this not matter anymore?


Same applies :)


Thanks does this look correct?






Looks fine to me, but It always gives me night terrors seeing that stupid Thomson/Technicolor interface.

ashnizzle
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  #829272 1-Jun-2013 17:58
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haha yeh i know what you mean. I wanna get a Asus router but gotta find that does VLAN tagging

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  #835926 12-Jun-2013 16:20
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Sen8or,

Just wondering how long did you have to wait from the fibre access point cable being laid/buried to being able to get UFB actually installed in Christchurch?  I'm in Christchurch as well and Enable installed cabling in our street a few months ago.  The "fibre access point" cable was placed at the boundary edge a month or so ago and buried awaiting testing/activation of our part of the network.

Very keen to get UFB installed so just trying to understand the likely timeframes.





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  #836267 13-Jun-2013 12:24
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The cable is currently being laid, although the contractors have hit a snag with our end of the street, in that the ground is too rocky / dense for their cable boring machine to go through, and there is no "council verge" as such for them to trench along and manually lay cables (Lincoln). At this stage, they are talking about digging up the road and laying the fibre that way.

Enables site has ours as being due Jan 2014, which given the 2 - 3 months wait you have had after cable is laid, seems feasible.

Looks like I don't need Vodafone to rush with their plans as it won't be active anytime soon

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  #836343 13-Jun-2013 14:33
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@sen8or - thanks for the reply. That's bad luck on the ground issues, must be the only solid ground in Christchurch. I hope they get it installed soon for you.

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