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Topic # 120923 18-Jun-2013 17:01
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I'm vaguely familiar with the Huawei company and its (loose?) ties to the Chinese military. 


I had also heard concerns that the Huawei hardware could phone home back to China, spying on NZ citizens and government.  I had mostly written that off to paranoia, but after hearing more about the level of monitoring that the NSA does on the net inside and out of the US, I'm starting to side with the conspiracy theorists.


As I understand it NZ had allegedly welcomed the company to help out in the UFB project.  In other countries, such as US, Canada + Australia, they have been blocked in national telecommunication infrastructure projects.

 

I see in a recent article, that NZ is perhaps back-peddling now with welcoming Huawei.

 

Can anybody fill in gaps or add to my vague understanding? Anybody else change their opinion about Huawei after hearing about all the monitoring in the US? Do you think NZ government does any better at respecting citizen's privacy than the US?  Should they be?

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  Reply # 838790 18-Jun-2013 17:04
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My understanding is some pretty extensive testing has been done on the Huawei gear, and so far there is no evidence of this.

If they were capable to 'phoning home' and were doing so, this would be seen as traffic on the network.




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  Reply # 838791 18-Jun-2013 17:05
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To be perfectly honest I'd be more worried about the U.S. companies spying than the Chinese ones.

Ultimately though it's always safer to assume that everything is seen. Anyone who's actually sending anything sensitive down the wire unencrypted is just asking for trouble.

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  Reply # 838792 18-Jun-2013 17:05
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To be honest, with what I've seen out of the US in recent years - I would be more concerned in what was in the networking gear from US vendors more than Huawei.




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  Reply # 838794 18-Jun-2013 17:06
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ajobbins: To be honest, with what I've seen out of the US in recent years - I would be more concerned in what was in the networking gear from US vendors more than Huawei.


And they're likely to be far less audited than chinese gear, because the US are the "good guys" and would never do anything like that.

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  Reply # 838795 18-Jun-2013 17:11
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Prism anyone?



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  Reply # 838825 18-Jun-2013 18:29
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ajobbins: To be honest, with what I've seen out of the US in recent years - I would be more concerned in what was in the networking gear from US vendors more than Huawei.


 

That's a very good point.



On a related note, I've since decided against the new Microsoft Xbox One game console, as it has an always on microphone, and required video camera for play.  A bit creepy from the get-go, but perhaps doubly if you believe the rumours how willing msft was to hand over data for PRISM.  (whereas Yahoo supposedly put up a fight)

 

langers1972: Prism anyone?


 

I heard NZ has a similar, albeit slightly lower tech program, dubbed Paua. Okay i made that up, but some similar colours?

 

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  Reply # 838834 18-Jun-2013 18:32
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If it's such a big issue, the GCSB will just disallow 2degree's to use Huawei gear under the soon to be passed TICS bill..

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  Reply # 838858 18-Jun-2013 19:14
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kyhwana2: If it's such a big issue, the GCSB will just disallow 2degree's to use Huawei gear under the soon to be passed TICS bill..


Not to mention Telecom's LTE network.


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  Reply # 838882 18-Jun-2013 19:36
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newbellies:.  A bit creepy from the get-go, but perhaps doubly if you believe the rumours how willing msft was to hand over data for PRISM.  (whereas Yahoo supposedly put up a fight)



You'd be better off doing some research than believing MS (or anyone) just hand data over.

I recommend "security now" Read the transcript, or listen to the podcast.

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  Reply # 838883 18-Jun-2013 19:37
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... and at least two UFB providers I know of ...

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  Reply # 839014 18-Jun-2013 23:27
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Corporations and Politics.
If there's a spying conspiracy, one could equally fire back that its just a big scare campaign from the USA which is working with Huawei's competitors, to try and push away the competition.

And its hardly like its new as mentioned:
2Degrees network and many of their phones are Huawei.
Vodafone and Telecom have several Huawei handsets as well.
Telecoms 4G network will be Huawei.
Ultra Fast Fibre, the LFC for Waikato/BOP is using Huawei.
And these are only the high profile examples.

Also just because:


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