Fibre from the street to my house

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floydbloke

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Topic # 127244 3-Aug-2013 19:07

So the wheels are in motion to get UFB installed into the house, Chorus visit is scheduled but to avoid disappointment on the day maybe someone here can let me know what sort of obstacles they might come across. As per photos below, I’m down a right of way. Distance from the green pedestal to the grey one at the edge of my property is about 15m, then about 10m from there to where the current telecoms cable enters the house. A few concrete and tarseal driveways to go under.

My main concerns are:
• Will I need consents from the neighbours (and for what exactly)?
• Is any of the concrete or tarseal going to have to be smashed/cut or can they use existing conduit (if there is any, I’m not sure)?

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Reply # 871345 3-Aug-2013 19:26

InstallerUFB will confirm but if the duct is fine from the fibre pedestal to the local DP then they won't be doing any civil work and therefore won't require consent from your neighbours.

If the duct is no good then yes it is a long drawn out process of getting approval from everyone and can take quite some time.

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Reply # 871379 3-Aug-2013 20:27

Because you live down a right of way things are a little bit different than if the UFB communial network went past your gate.

I would suspect that when you get a visit from the Chorus contractor to come and scope your job - if there isnt a suitable duct/s that can be used to provide connection/s for you and your neighbours then your job will be put on hold and sent back to Chorus for there action -

You will find my reply to similar question Here http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=135&topicid=122127

If there is a suitable duct then the installation team will have to dig up around your pillar (the Grey mushroom terminal) to access it and the end of your service conduit to install the ribbonet tube from the pedistall to the side of your house.

In both cases there will be concrete/seal abd grass dug up and reinstateted.

IF you PM me your actual address ill take a look at the network plans for you

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Reply # 871382 3-Aug-2013 20:33

Thank you, sounds quite encouraging. If the only digging required turns out to be near the pillars and the side of the house that will be fairly straight forward, it's just grass or dirt covered by gravel in those areas, but I won't count my chickens until I get the nod from the Chorus folk of course.

Apologies, had a scout around but didn't see the other thread. I'll read it now.

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Reply # 871588 4-Aug-2013 15:20

InstallerUFB: Because you live down a right of way things are a little bit different than if the UFB communial network went past your gate.

I would suspect that when you get a visit from the Chorus contractor to come and scope your job - if there isnt a suitable duct/s that can be used to provide connection/s for you and your neighbours then your job will be put on hold and sent back to Chorus for there action -

You will find my reply to similar question Here http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=135&topicid=122127

If there is a suitable duct then the installation team will have to dig up around your pillar (the Grey mushroom terminal) to access it and the end of your service conduit to install the ribbonet tube from the pedistall to the side of your house.

In both cases there will be concrete/seal abd grass dug up and reinstateted.

IF you PM me your actual address ill take a look at the network plans for you

Just a quick question, On that which may also be of interest to OP.

In the case of a ROW situation does a tech normally show up and complete a quote type assessment or do they normally only show up when intending to proceed with the work?

Perpetually undecided.

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Reply # 871615 4-Aug-2013 16:37

lucky015: Just a quick question, On that which may also be of interest to OP.

In the case of a ROW situation does a tech normally show up and complete a quote type assessment or do they normally only show up when intending to proceed with the work?

Asumeing its Chorus UFB

If your address is obviously down a ROW (with more than one house down the ROW - this also includes mutipule subdivided sections -) then usualy the job is intercepted before it ends up being sent out to be scoped and is sent to Chorus concents and then on for design and build before going to he installer - if it isnt obvious then it will be sent out for scopeing (and hopefully this is done before install date) and they have to send it back

but even sometimes the job goes to concents (concent is given) but is still sent out for the install teams to scope the job because it isnt obvious that design & build work is required and they might then send it back to have design & build work done befor they can procced

a rule of thumb is

1 possible End User connection -> Install team handle the civils work

2 or more End User Connections -> Design & Build teams handle the civils work before the install teams take over

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Reply # 871645 4-Aug-2013 17:58

InstallerUFB:
lucky015: Just a quick question, On that which may also be of interest to OP.

In the case of a ROW situation does a tech normally show up and complete a quote type assessment or do they normally only show up when intending to proceed with the work?

Asumeing its Chorus UFB

If your address is obviously down a ROW (with more than one house down the ROW - this also includes mutipule subdivided sections -) then usualy the job is intercepted before it ends up being sent out to be scoped and is sent to Chorus concents and then on for design and build before going to he installer - if it isnt obvious then it will be sent out for scopeing (and hopefully this is done before install date) and they have to send it back

but even sometimes the job goes to concents (concent is given) but is still sent out for the install teams to scope the job because it isnt obvious that design & build work is required and they might then send it back to have design & build work done befor they can procced

a rule of thumb is

1 possible End User connection -> Install team handle the civils work

2 or more End User Connections -> Design & Build teams handle the civils work before the install teams take over

Yes, This is Chorus UFB.

So most likely up a shared driveway (2 houses up a long driveway) they would request consent first?

My main reason for querying this is that you mentioned existing ducting may be able to be used which may be able to sidestep requiring consent from the neighbors.

Perpetually undecided.

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Reply # 871654 4-Aug-2013 18:21

lucky015:
Yes, This is Chorus UFB.

So most likely up a shared driveway (2 houses up a long driveway) they would request consent first?

My main reason for querying this is that you mentioned existing ducting may be able to be used which may be able to sidestep requiring consent from the neighbors.

Yep if there is existing ducting/conduiting it may be suitable for use for UFB and concent to install new may not be required

- if you would like me to take a paper look in your case just send me a pm with your address details? You can then pass this on (if there is ducting) to your RSP when you request and that will help speed up the process

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Reply # 873461 7-Aug-2013 19:53

After some offline advice from InstallerUFB, and reading the Chorus website, it seems more than likely that I will need neighbour's consents. I've started the ball rolling on this.

When the fibre was laid in the street they left quite a mess on the grass verge that was never put right, until the neighbour herself ended up forking out money for topsoil and grass-seed. She is now, justifiably, reluctant to sign the consent form in case they make more mess.

My question now is, how much digging is required around the green pillar for the install to get the fibre from there to the house. If I can convince her that it's only a square foot or two I might be able to persuade her to sign the consent.

Would this photo

from this thread http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=135&topicid=106897 be representative of the size hole they may need to dig? Or maybe someone else can provide some piccies of an install.

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Reply # 875282 11-Aug-2013 09:51

floydbloke: When the fibre was laid in the street they left quite a mess on the grass verge that was never put right, until the neighbour herself ended up forking out money for topsoil and grass-seed. She is now, justifiably, reluctant to sign the consent form in case they make more mess.

Could you perhaps gaurentee in writing to her that you'll pay to put it right should they leave a mess again?

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Reply # 875288 11-Aug-2013 10:47

floydbloke: When the fibre was laid in the street they left quite a mess on the grass verge that was never put right, until the neighbour herself ended up forking out money for topsoil and grass-seed. She is now, justifiably, reluctant to sign the consent form in case they make more mess.

That's pretty shoddy, restoration of the verge should be a requirement of their consents from the local council.

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Reply # 875323 11-Aug-2013 12:18

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DarthKermit:

Could you perhaps gaurentee in writing to her that you'll pay to put it right should they leave a mess again?

I went and had a friendly chat with her and gave her a verbal guarantee that I would ensure everything would be restore to a proper state. She was happy with that and has since signed the consent form. Good progress (got 4 consents out of 7 so far) and neighbourly harmony remains intact.

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Reply # 924729 31-Oct-2013 12:58

Thought I'd post a quick update on this.
As advised by several helpful folk, getting consents from neighbours, or should I say property owners of the neighbouring houses, is indeed the time-consuming part. There was one sticky one in particular (he was Ok with it, just difficult to get the signed form back from him, he lives in a different city).

My advice is, if you live in a property with some form of shared access and you're looking at getting fibre, enage with your neighbours early, explain what your plans are and give them a copy of the consent form (available from the Chorus website), to help move things along. Chorus (or one of their thrid parties) will send them the consent forms (if required) when you sign up for a UFB install but a few weeks may pass before this happens, it will move quicker if you do it yourself.

Back to my installation, the fibre (ducts) have now been extended to the boundary of my section so I now have a nice green square pedestal. Lifting the lid of this, inside it is the original grey one, as well as 4 nice brightly colored straws for the fibre. One for me, and the three others for the neighbours eventually I suspect. This 'build' work took less than a day. I had received a note in the mailbox that they were going to do this at the beginning of this week, but they actually turned up a week and a half early. I was out of town so didn't get to speak to them. They didn't have to cut any concrete or tarseal and did a very nice job leaving it tidy. They even fixed up the mess mentioned above that one of the neigbours complained about. I'm now expecting someone (Chorus, or contractor) to come and complete the installation on Tuesday the 5th.

TL:DNR Fibre now laid to edge of property, install scheduled for 5/11

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Reply # 928471 7-Nov-2013 07:34

Nearly done now (just the VOIP side at the ISP to be switched on and the phone wiring swapped over), Internet over fibre running fine, getting 94Mb/s and about 52 up.

A little bit frustrating with the coordination, or lack of, between ISP, Chorus, Downer etc, and knowing who will do what and when. In sayinh that, it has also given me an appreciation that each installation is a fairly complex undertaking with the various tasks requiring various skill-sets (I have had 8 different Downer techs visits at various times over the last 2 days) and how there are always a number of unknowns when the techs arrive so scheduling jobs with any accuracy must be near impossible.

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