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LWJCarroll

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#130676 23-Sep-2013 23:17
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Hi... having seen the other thread about Gigatown in NZ I noticed this on Counties Powers web site...

http://www.countiespower.com/

"capable of operating at speeds of up to 10,000 Mbps for both sending and receiving data. More..."

I must admit getting a bit mixed up with the data speeds   Gbps and Mbps etc.....but why not just Gigatown now!!
one of the other network installers can and should offer the Gigatown speeds now to compete with whatever Chorus ends up doing....eg Whangarei   or Pukekohe, Hamilton, Tauranga  etc....the early bird gets the worm or in this case the residential/industry boost in their town or area.... its competition time people...now!!

There is really no need to wait  2 years for Chorus at all

Do it...go for it,  now!!!

Regards

Laurie





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  #901597 24-Sep-2013 02:07
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Yes, this fibre runs right past my driveway, its been there for several years, but Counties Power didnt win the rights to join the UFB project, so I will have to wait till goodness knows when for Chorus to run its own fibre down the street before my ISP will hook me up.
I could join now but it would mean changing ISP and having to pay the full install cost (quoted at a minimum of $2000) as there would be no govt subsidy like with Chorus installs.




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  #901880 24-Sep-2013 13:09
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That must be frustrating!!...We checked out a house in the main street here in Tuakau awhile back and the ISP (Local one) estimated $3000 to connect to the fibre line there...

Counties Power are asking people to connect to it on their web site....perhaps its worth taking (lobbying) the connection charge up with our local MP (National) to get the UFB $$ to subsidise this type of connection to an existing non Chorus fibre...after all that money is for all UFB in NZ not just a prop-up for Chorus....Getting this used in Pukekohe is as I see it a great benefit and draw card for the town itself. Our MP I believe has already invested $$, himself in the new cinema so I assume he is keen on this kind of opportunity for Pukekohe now.

I believe in this instance Counties Power have already been the "Local Hero" in being so innovative over the years

BTW The network Mgr at Counties was very approachable I found (tried to get them to install fibre in our new subdivision here...they needed a customer base to make it worth while)...

Perhaps a little hole in the UFB/Chorus wall can turn into a flood??? at least for our area....

Laurie


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  #901902 24-Sep-2013 13:49
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Well, why wait...I have just sent an email to our MP The Honourable Dr Paul Hutchison and hope to hear back soon..Laurie



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  #901906 24-Sep-2013 13:54
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I love your enthusiasm, but I wouldn't hold my breath either ;)  There's plenty of dark fibre to go around, but making it live is a lot more complicated and expensive than you might imagine.

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  #901908 24-Sep-2013 13:57
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kiwifidget: Yes, this fibre runs right past my driveway, its been there for several years, but Counties Power didnt win the rights to join the UFB project, so I will have to wait till goodness knows when for Chorus to run its own fibre down the street before my ISP will hook me up.
I could join now but it would mean changing ISP and having to pay the full install cost (quoted at a minimum of $2000) as there would be no govt subsidy like with Chorus installs.


Personally, I'd be happy to pay the $2000.  1Mbps uploads are a PITA.

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  #901923 24-Sep-2013 14:16
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The Pukekohe Fibre is 20 metres from our house. $2600 I was quoted to get install. This involved a thruster, concrete cutting.... I should have pulled the trigger.

I also should have gotten hold of some fibre and run it out to the road when I was building the house. Counties Power suggested this at one stage but then they stopped selling it completely for a while when it got sold to Compass so they wouldn't ring me back.

Oh well, hindsight...




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  #901993 24-Sep-2013 16:44
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ubergeeknz: I love your enthusiasm, but I wouldn't hold my breath either ;)  There's plenty of dark fibre to go around, but making it live is a lot more complicated and expensive than you might imagine.


No I would have to disagree with that comment I've changed to Bold......there isn't actually....disregarding the expense......this one is only in certain streets currently and appears to be going to waste due to the expense of the un-subsidized connect costs.... I am hoping our MP will be able to do some thing about this asset not being used/usable currently...Rgds....Laurie



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  #902018 24-Sep-2013 18:26
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LWJCarroll: Hi... having seen the other thread about Gigatown in NZ I noticed this on Counties Powers web site...

http://www.countiespower.com/

"capable of operating at speeds of up to 10,000 Mbps for both sending and receiving data. More..."

I must admit getting a bit mixed up with the data speeds   Gbps and Mbps etc.....but why not just Gigatown now!!
one of the other network installers can and should offer the Gigatown speeds now to compete with whatever Chorus ends up doing....eg Whangarei   or Pukekohe, Hamilton, Tauranga  etc....the early bird gets the worm or in this case the residential/industry boost in their town or area.... its competition time people...now!!

There is really no need to wait  2 years for Chorus at all

Do it...go for it,  now!!!

Regards

Laurie






All existing Chorus P2P and UFB fibre from every LFC can deliver a 10Gbps service. This product is even on the UFB ratecard - $1355 per month for a connection and then $10 per 10Mbps for your CIR.

The key difference is that 10Gbps is delivered over a P2P connection. It can't be delivered over GPON as GPON only supports 2.4Gbps downstream and 1.2Gbps upstream.

P2P delivered uncontented bandwidth as it's a direct connection and also has far greater costs asociated with it as a single user shares a port rather than a 24 way split with GPON.

Gigatown will deliver 1Gbps over PON, possibly using 10GPON.



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  #902142 24-Sep-2013 23:35
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LWJCarroll:..after all that money is for all UFB in NZ not just a prop-up for Chorus

 

You're joking right? The objective is to get chorus as much money as possible

 

Nah but seriously, Crown Fibre Holdings has picked a single wholesaler per region. For the majority its chorus, with a few smaller areas getting local providers. The terms of this will not change unless they dramatically overhall the UFB initiative, and that wouldn't happen any time soon given how slow the wheels of government operate.

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eXDee:
LWJCarroll:..after all that money is for all UFB in NZ not just a prop-up for Chorus
You're joking right? The objective is to get chorus as much money as possible

Nah but seriously, Crown Fibre Holdings has picked a single wholesaler per region. For the majority its chorus, with a few smaller areas getting local providers. The terms of this will not change unless they dramatically overhall the UFB initiative, and that wouldn't happen any time soon given how slow the wheels of government operate.


Fast is not good.... and impossible unless we though more money at the problem.... and where is that money going to come from? Saying that too slow is not good..... Remember the deadline is 2020 that's still a number of years to come and things could change allot in that time.

Also any provider is allowed to overlay their own fibre in areas where there already is existing fibre... this already is the case in places like Auckland CBD not sure on the numbers but I can name 5.




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  #904767 29-Sep-2013 20:56
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Shame that Counties Power missed out on UFB, presumably they couldn't get the costs down enough. They may end up renting ducts to Chorus? Don't know why they didn't go for GPON in Pukekohe ages ago anyway. Would be pretty nice to live in a place like Tuakau and have fibre though!

EDIT: I reckon the government should allow existing fibre top join the UFB programme if they meet whatever standards and wholesale it on the same terms.




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webwat:  Don't know why they didn't go for GPON in Pukekohe ages ago anyway. Would be pretty nice to live in a place like Tuakau and have fibre though!

EDIT: I reckon the government should allow existing fibre top join the UFB programme if they meet whatever standards and wholesale it on the same terms.


From what I heard Counties Power nearly installed a PON nework but the economics were marginal back in 2002. So they installed an active network which means instead of installing a passive splitter in the cabinets they installed an active switch. So to convert it to a PON network is trival (swap the switch for a splitter).

CP did start roling out fibre in Tuakau but it is expensive because it doesn't get the government subsidy.

There is nothing preventing an existing fibre company to compete with UFB and offer UFB like products but they wouldn't get the government subsidy which makes it pretty hard to compete.

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Well I still haven't heard back from our MP (Hunua)  Dr Paul Hutchison  (emailed his Parliamentary email address on 24/9/2013).... didn't even get a form reply etc..??....so he doesn't appear to be interested in this asset we have for Pukekohe, especially what it could achieve in new jobs/companies in the area.......?????

We had an article in our local paper the other day (Franklin County News a Fairfax Media paper btw) from the reporter who has been doing a good job on promoting rural broadband issues in our area, but he mistakenly highlighted the Chorus competition for a Gigatown hoping Pukekohe/Tuakau could win it... he didnt appear to be aware of the fact we already have this available in Pukekohe at least so I have emailed info and a query to the Editor. Perhaps that will provoke some interviewing of the network Manager at Counties Power and we can get an update published asap..????

Regards

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#910192 9-Oct-2013 00:38
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So....just fired off an email to the Innovation email address at WetaDigital as I think they would have a use for it or can pass the word around to others that would benefit from using this fibre network here in New Zealand now....Laurie


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  #910202 9-Oct-2013 06:13
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LWJCarroll: Well I still haven't heard back from our MP (Hunua)  Dr Paul Hutchison  (emailed his Parliamentary email address on 24/9/2013).... didn't even get a form reply etc..??....so he doesn't appear to be interested in this asset we have for Pukekohe, especially what it could achieve in new jobs/companies in the area.......?????



It might sound like a silly question but what are you hoping to get out of emailing them?

You don't need to be in a UFB area to get 10Gbps fibre - there are thousands and thousands of premises in NZ that already have access to this through existing P2P fibre from the likes of Chorus, Vector etc. As I mentioned above UFB networks also allow a 10Gbps P2P service. Just don't expect to pay $99 per month flat rate for the service in Pukekohe, or anywhere else in NZ.


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