Privately funded roadside cabinet...?

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#133525 25-Oct-2013 10:28

Howdy.

So, I live in rural NZ. Golden Bay in fact. The RBI has paid for a fibre optic cable to be laid basically all the way along SH60 from Takaka to Collingwood. This cable passes right past the end of our road. A big, circular concrete thing was dug into the ground, presumably to accommodate a junction in the cable, or some such technical thing.

The nearest roadside cabinet, TAK/V, is about 1.3km away (see Google Map here). We will be able to get ADSL, but probably nothing more than that.

If local residents could raise the funds to pay for an additional roadside cabinet, does anyone have an idea of what costs would be involved? Maybe its totally unrealistic to even consider this, but it would be interesting to know what kind of ballpark figure this would involve.

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Jon

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#921492 25-Oct-2013 10:47

I'm sure one of the guys more involved can give you better info, but personally I'd be surprised if you'd get any change out of $150k.

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#921512 25-Oct-2013 11:05

For starters, I believe Takaka is linked by radio to the outside world meaning there isn't the bandwidth to provide more than what you're getting. Also the roadside cabinets cost approx $250k + you'll have to pay for additional fibre to link Takaka Hill to Takaka.

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#921530 25-Oct-2013 11:15

I've often wondered about this sort of thing, not sure about topology but probably a wireless link back to someone with access to better bandwidth would be more affordable.

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#921543 25-Oct-2013 11:21

You would be better off funding a community wireless project.

We did this for a small settlement down in the Manawatu here. Chorus just wouldn't install fixed line services due to the small size.

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#921545 25-Oct-2013 11:22

Yes I can help, but you would have to contact me directly and I don't have time today to deal with this issue.

This issue does interest me and I've been doing quite a bit of research into the issues that stem from this.

If you're interested in cooperation then email me directly.

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#921548 25-Oct-2013 11:23

michaelmurfy: For starters, I believe Takaka is linked by radio to the outside world meaning there isn't the bandwidth to provide more than what you're getting. Also the roadside cabinets cost approx $250k + you'll have to pay for additional fibre to link Takaka Hill to Takaka.

Hmm, no, there is now a fibre cable going over the hill. People "in town" in Takaka are able to get VDSL, so I believe the bandwidth *is* there...

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#921554 25-Oct-2013 11:25

chevrolux: You would be better off funding a community wireless project.

We did this for a small settlement down in the Manawatu here. Chorus just wouldn't install fixed line services due to the small size.

What type of Wireless setup did they implement?

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#921555 25-Oct-2013 11:25

There are numerous places where private DSLAM's provide service.

This wouldn't be a Chorus provided service so would be reliant on partnering with an ISP to deliver services. It also won't be cheap.

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#921556 25-Oct-2013 11:28

jnimmo: I've often wondered about this sort of thing, not sure about topology but probably a wireless link back to someone with access to better bandwidth would be more affordable.

That certainly does sound like another option. I suppose using something like Ubiquity airMAX pieces of kit, perhaps.

Thanks jnimmo.

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#921559 25-Oct-2013 11:29

DonGould: Yes I can help, but you would have to contact me directly and I don't have time today to deal with this issue.

This issue does interest me and I've been doing quite a bit of research into the issues that stem from this.

If you're interested in cooperation then email me directly.

don@bowenvale.co.nz

Thanks for the heads up, Don. I'll get in touch directly.

Jon

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#921561 25-Oct-2013 11:29

It looks like you might get RBI cellular coverage along the coastal strip there also, so once they go to 4G you might be able to get a better service by going with e wireless option,

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#921564 25-Oct-2013 11:35

Chorus is laying fibre to Collingwood - timing dependant on major road works on SH60.
The TAK/V cabinet will be upgraded to have fibre backhaul and a shiny new ISAM DSLAM.

This will deliver ADSL1, ADSL2+ and VDSL service just like the cabinets in urban NZ.

As always, the distance from your prmises to the cabinet will dictate the type of service you get.

But at 1300 metres you should get a pretty good ADSL service. With fibre backhaul there will be a noticicable improvement in service experience, even for an ADSL1 user, as there will be plenty of backhaul back to your ISP - which is not the case today.

If the roading work gets done on schedule (pray to the weather gods everybody) we expect to have this new cabinet complete and operational by end Feb 2014.

Once the upgrade is complete talk to your ISP about an upgrade to your plan to take advantage of the new infrastructure. Also a new modem and a master splitter will make a big difference.

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#921569 25-Oct-2013 11:46

ChorusVan: Chorus is laying fibre to Collingwood - timing dependant on major road works on SH60.
The TAK/V cabinet will be upgraded to have fibre backhaul and a shiny new ISAM DSLAM.

This will deliver ADSL1, ADSL2+ and VDSL service just like the cabinetrs in urban NZ.

As always, the distance from your prmises to the cabinet will dictate the type of service you get.

But at 1300 metres you should get a pretty good ADSL service. With fibre backhaul there will be a noticicable improvement in service experience, even for an ADSL1 user, as there will be plenty of backhaul back to your ISP - which is not the case today.

If the roading work gets done on schedule (pray to the weather gods everybody) we expect to have this new cabinet complete and operational by end Feb 2014.

Once the upgrade is complete talk to your ISP about an upgrade to your plan to take advantage of the new infrastructure. Also a new modem and a master splitter will make a big difference.

Awesome response, thank you ChorusVan. We are all eagerly waiting for Birds Hill to be fixed up, but today's weather *really* wont be helping! I am already planning on a master splitter, so that's on the check list. ISP you say? Most of us have to rely on mobile data providers, so don't yet have relationships with ISPs; but, collectively, we will be talking to several to see who can best meet our needs.

Many thanks everyone who has contributed,

Jon

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#921589 25-Oct-2013 12:11

mckenndk:
chevrolux: You would be better off funding a community wireless project.

We did this for a small settlement down in the Manawatu here. Chorus just wouldn't install fixed line services due to the small size.
What type of Wireless setup did they implement?

Ubiquiti wireless gear, Mikrotik router and DMA Softlabs RADIUS manager.

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#921601 25-Oct-2013 12:24

chevrolux:
mckenndk:
chevrolux: You would be better off funding a community wireless project.

We did this for a small settlement down in the Manawatu here. Chorus just wouldn't install fixed line services due to the small size.
What type of Wireless setup did they implement?

Ubiquiti wireless gear, Mikrotik router and DMA Softlabs RADIUS manager.

Dumb question: with the (say) Ubiquiti gear, can you create a "corridor" of wireless coverage following, say, the Collingwood to Bainham Road along the Aorere Valley? I get that you can do point-to-point relaying, with pairs of Rocket M5s for example; presumably there's a way of getting coverage to an area of properties, and not just from one place to another, right?

Jon

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