exportgoldman:


Actually, from what I understand Telecom are already using VDSL in their Private Branch Office Service, but from what I understand VDSL causes a lot of interference in the rest of the pairs in the cable.





They use it because they offer 2Megabit Full Duplex connections and deliver it with Cisco routers over VDSL.



But if your asking if they offer it as a straight retail internet connection, no. As to when, interestingly enough should be after LLU but I don't know how Telecom are going to feel if ISP's attach VDSL and cause crosstalk to go through the roof.

exportgoldman:



The thing which annoys me is how much the product is, and you are forced to purchase it because it is what broadband is meant to be anyways. Fast, reliable with a support desk which is interested in helping you fix it when it's down. Those that run branches on Terminal Server know what I'm talking about :)

bondsms: Orcon internet plans on installing VDSL2 capable DSLAMs once LLU happens, they have secured a $30m deal with Seimens and as soon as LLU cranks up expect to see some action in the bigger cities with regard to VDSL.  They are the only ones to do so though, looks like the others have only indicated ADSL2+ the same as Telecom.  Orcon plans to deliver IPTV and have secured access to 50 channels, which they plan on useing VDSL2 to deliver.  See Orcon's website to find out more about it.  Problem is VDSL is not impressive over long local loops which we tend to have a lot of in NZ but still faster than any other DSL Broadband available in NZ.

Actually picking a technology to deploy with out going through the spectrum management requirements is a very big call, the speeds and distance you get with this type of technology require it to run at full power........but and this a big but running at this type of full power causes a lot of interference, this is why there is spectrum management plan which involves the technical experts looking at the output and power / interference that each technology produces and these must all conform to the standards set down , other wise you could have one technology causing massive interference on the copper lines by being over powered effectively impacting the other technologies, ie ADSL2 , wonder why the others selected ADSL2

just because they say VDSL doesn’t mean they are going to be able to run it effectively ie full power to get Max Distance and Speed, as I said big big call


these thoughts are purely my own and mine alone btw , in case anyone was interested..........

Fraktul: ADSL2+ provides dynamic spectrum management true.
You seem very concerned people are going to be stealing your thoughts from the last sentence there Mav.

maverick:

Fraktul: ADSL2+ provides dynamic spectrum management true.
You seem very concerned people are going to be stealing your thoughts from the last sentence there Mav.

nope not stealing just that they are mine and not my place of employment

lestag:

exportgoldman:



The thing which annoys me is how much the product is, and you are forced to purchase it because it is what broadband is meant to be anyways. Fast, reliable with a support desk which is interested in helping you fix it when it's down. Those that run branches on Terminal Server know what I'm talking about :)

I'm still using Frame for WAN links with 100% reliability barring floods and cut cables :-)
Is the DSL stuf still rubbish (teelcom office etc)??

Fraktul: Hmm yes well there is an old adage in the telco industry "fast, cheap, reliable - pick two". This is still true to lesser extent today obviously.