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Topic # 13470 11-May-2007 19:12
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Hello All

1. Say I have very good neighbors within my block of houses and I wanted to run Fiber between all the houses ( about 150) just put on the fences and dug under when needed.
2. Is it possible to lay fiber along the fences (Will UV cause a problem?)?
- How much per meter for UV resistant fiber?
- How much For fiber router per house?
- How much cost for technician per join ?
3. Ok say 1 & 2 are ok the fiber is put in, the network bandwidth is shared with 30 ADSL connections (or more) all the other neighbors put in $30 a month towards costs. Is this legal?
4. Too much YouTube and the 30 ADSL connections are getting stretched, do we approach Telecom now or wait LLU?
5. We hooked up all the satellite dishes to the network so that we can all share sky & freetoair channels + pay per view.
6. WiFi routers are used so all the neighbors can use their skype phones anywhere in the neighborhood.

Just a fantasy but could it happen?

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  Reply # 70418 11-May-2007 19:54
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Most if not all of your service suppliers are providing on the basis that the subscription is for 1 household. They only make money if they do the averaging. If they get a whiff of sharing with the neighbourhood you'll be cut off.



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  Reply # 70423 11-May-2007 20:01
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Thanks for the reply

If the powers that be can't supply small home owners with fiber whats the problem with them doing it themselves?

What happens if Local Councils give the go a head?

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 70445 11-May-2007 21:41
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There are plenty of plans offered by ISPs that are aimed at businesses which would therefore allow sharing of the connection.  For example at the bottom of http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,6858,203086-202321,00.html there are "Professional" plans, one of which has FS/FS 50GB for $150.

I would have thought an ISP would have no problems with the connection being shared if it is a business plan.  But surely if you approach an ISP and explain the situation then you'd get a better deal than just subscribing to a whole bunch of different residential/business plans.  Plus you'd then have the internet connection coming into one location, reducing the number of ADSL modems, etc.

Also, why the need for fibre?  Surely a cheaper option would be wireless with repeaters?  Sure, it's not as fast, but the internet connection is always going to be the bottleneck, I'd have thought.  Re-reading your post - 150 houses!?  Maybe wireless wouldn't cope.

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Reply # 70447 11-May-2007 21:49
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I don't undestand the need of fiber to share the connection. Current DSL tops at 8 Mbps, DSL2+ at 24 Mbps... Any ethernet cabling would provide at least 100 Mbps and be much cheaper than fiber. The most expensive part of fiber is deploying it.

Also, as noted, ISPs provide Internet services to a household.

What councils are planning to do is not fiber to the home, but to the premises only.




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  Reply # 70519 12-May-2007 19:32
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Woolly:

Hello All

1. Say I have very good neighbors within my block of houses and I wanted to run Fiber between all the houses ( about 150) just put on the fences and dug under when needed.
2. Is it possible to lay fiber along the fences (Will UV cause a problem?)?
- How much per meter for UV resistant fiber?
- How much For fiber router per house?
- How much cost for technician per join ?
3. Ok say 1 & 2 are ok the fiber is put in, the network bandwidth is shared with 30 ADSL connections (or more) all the other neighbors put in $30 a month towards costs. Is this legal?
4. Too much YouTube and the 30 ADSL connections are getting stretched, do we approach Telecom now or wait LLU?
5. We hooked up all the satellite dishes to the network so that we can all share sky & freetoair channels + pay per view.
6. WiFi routers are used so all the neighbors can use their skype phones anywhere in the neighborhood.

Just a fantasy but could it happen?


Yep, wait for LLU, set yourself up as an operator/ISP, write yourself a business case, issue an RFT to get some prices, put your own cabinet with a DSLAM in next to your local Telecom cabinet (if there is one), lease some backhaul back to your preferred ISP for connectivity, and voila, you can provide whatever niche services you like over DSL to anyone on the same cabinet.




 

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  Reply # 70579 13-May-2007 15:59
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setting up a small local area ISP in effect would be achievable except for the trafic measuring and billing. This would probably be the major headache. cheers George

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  Reply # 70620 14-May-2007 10:19
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Back in the states it was not uncommon to have a strong WIFI access point on one house which shared a single connection to the neighborhood. Most of the ISPs in the states allow the sharing of a single connection with no problems.

I did it with great luck but the hardest part was the billing. Ok, who paid me for last month's internet?

If you were interested in my experiences with WIFI distribution just drop a line.

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  Reply # 70836 15-May-2007 21:57
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If you are serious in setting this up IMOH it would be cheaper and easier to use WiFi - set up a good access point at your place (http://www.gowifi.co.nz/index.php) - charge your neighbours using Internet cafe software (see http://www.brothersoft.com/downloads/internet-cafe-software.html) - and you are in business

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  Reply # 70837 15-May-2007 22:04
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Or use Tomizone... They have an agreement with Orcon now, and D-Link wireless routers with the software built-in.




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